mobile gas heaters...

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Could anyone enlighten me why mobile gas heaters have a warning reference not using these appliances in a caravan or motorhome ? I can understand how they feed on the oxygen in an enclosed space but surely if a window was left partially open this problem would be alleviated. I also understand it could be to prevent an internal fire... :eek::eek::confused:
 
You were right the first time! It's due to both the lack of oxygen AND carbon monoxide poisoning!

Be carefull! It's the enclosed space and the lack of a flue.
 
You were right the first time! It's due to both the lack of oxygen AND carbon monoxide poisoning!

Be carefull! It's the enclosed space and the lack of a flue.
i would have thought it would be damn dangerous too
 
Yes perhaps he likes to sleep soundly Walkers, like for a hundred years!!!
 
Thank you...

Walkers, thank you for your reply. The question was asked because I did not understand. Nosha, thank you for your first reply, very helpful... second reply a tad condescending don't you think...
 
i would have would be damn dangerous too
Don't for heavenssake never use it in a MH ! :eek::eek:This is a silent killer ! :eek:You ALLWAYS have a certain amount of CO. As CO is heavier than air it accumulates in the lower parts of the vehicle, under the windowsill -even if you let it open- (why heating and at the same time let the cold in through the open window ?). JUST DON'T !!!!
When it is really cold at night I put on a blanket more or we hug together :D
 
Thank you Belgian...

Thank you sir for your most informative reply, concise and to the point. The type of reply I would expect. Thanks again...
 
Eberspacher make a nice diesel/12V/24V powered hot air heater where the flame gases don t mix with the heated air. Some more modern vans have interlock buttons on windows when a gas flue is under the window - open window and the gas appliance wont work.

Carbon monoxide I think poisons you before it suffocates you, it is deadly as it has no odour - whereas LPG has a strong odour (mercaptans) added. But any gas that displaces the oxygen inside a van is deadly - LPG will do the same, but is more likely to ignite before it makes you take a last gasp.
 
catalytic ??.

Hi.
Does this also apply to catalytic heaters?.
Thanks.
Gerry.
 
I think that all fuels give off the deadly fumes Carbon monoxide if you are paranoid simply buy a Carbon monoxide alarm I DID.;)
 
Danger Of Death

A few years ago a friend of mine, He was a bodhran player in an Irish band around these parts. They played at our wedding party, we lived on a canal boat at the time and he was looking forward to buying a boat himself as he had recently split up from a long term relationship. I had offered to help him find the right boat, one day after an afternoon visit, when he put forward his dreams. He reminded me that the band was playing a fair ways out of town the following night, I said I would try to make it. The night was in February, 5 years ago now and it was very cold. We decided not to go. He was using the transit van that transported the band about as a sort of camper, he used to park up after a gig outside the place he worked which was also nearby. He dropped off the band and settled down with another can of Guinness and lit the 2 burner stove he had on board, to brew up and make rudimentary meals. The can of Guinness, one too many, the warmth of the sleeping bag, the lateness of the hour, the silent poisonous fumes from the device he was using for comfort, all conspired to send him into a sleep from which he never returned. He was discovered the next morning by his workmates who thought he had just had one too many and overslept. This he had done and forever and we miss him still and always will.
 
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Hi.
Does this also apply to catalytic heaters?.
Thanks.
Gerry.

I'm pretty sure that anything creating heat has to consume some oxygen and convert the LPG into something else. BUT I'd do a weblookup on cat heaters and find out exactly what the makers have to say. I'd give a rough guess that they say "ensure adequaute ventilation when in use".
 
A few years ago a friend of mine, He was a bodhran player in an Irish band around these parts. They played at our wedding party, we lived on a canal boat at the time and he was looking forward to buying a boat himself as he had recently split up from a long term relationship. I had offered to help him find the right boat, one day after an afternoon visit, when he put forward his dreams. He reminded me that the band was playing a fair ways out of town the following night, I said I would try to make it. The night was in February, 5 years ago now and it was very cold. We decided not to go. He was using the transit van that transported the band about as a sort of camper, he used to park up after a gig outside the place he worked which was also nearby. He dropped off the band and settled down with another can of Guinness and lit the 2 burner stove he had on board, to brew up and make rudimentary meals. The can of Guinness, one too many, the warmth of the sleeping bag, the lateness of the hour, the silent poisonous fumes from the device he was using for comfort, all conspired to send him into a sleep from which he never returned. He was discovered the next morning by his workmates who thought he had just had one too many and overslept. This he had done and forever and we miss him still and always will.
that is a sad story and i think it makes the point nosha tried to make a bit more important
 
A few years ago a friend of mine, He was a bodhran player in an Irish band around these parts. They played at our wedding party, we lived on a canal boat at the time and he was looking forward to buying a boat himself as he had recently split up from a long term relationship. I had offered to help him find the right boat, one day after an afternoon visit, when he put forward his dreams. He reminded me that the band was playing a fair ways out of town the following night, I said I would try to make it. The night was in February, 5 years ago now and it was very cold. We decided not to go. He was using the transit van that transported the band about as a sort of camper, he used to park up after a gig outside the place he worked which was also nearby. He dropped off the band and settled down with another can of Guinness and lit the 2 burner stove he had on board, to brew up and make rudimentary meals. The can of Guinness, one too many, the warmth of the sleeping bag, the lateness of the hour, the silent poisonous fumes from the device he was using for comfort, all conspired to send him into a sleep from which he never returned. He was discovered the next morning by his workmates who thought he had just had one too many and overslept. This he had done and forever and we miss him still and always will.

That is really a sad story!
However, in our small van we use the burner to warm up the van on a cold night, this has got me worried. We do have the canvas top up, so I guess its not airtight, but I will definately be getting an co2 alarm.

Regards
Louby
 
alarm

***** and I have a carbon monoxide alarm and it's tested and used every time we go away. You can't be too careful!!! Things can go faulty at any time with no warning. Better safe than sorry.
 
i use a wee gas heater aswell, but i keep some of the windows open.. were do u get a co2 alarm from,and r they easy to fit..
 
Hi.
Does this also apply to catalytic heaters?.
Thanks.
Gerry.
Years ago I had such a catalysator-heater in my caravan. It was safe and it worked, but the first quarter you had a smell of carbonised insects :eek:
It was also a hell of a job to put it on; I reccon nowadays it will be easier.:rolleyes:
 
i use a wee gas heater aswell, but i keep some of the windows open.. were do u get a co2 alarm from,and r they easy to fit..
been and queued,, homebase etc dead easy to fit and you can get them that run off a little 9v battery it will tell you if the co2 levels get dangerous but i still think the safest thing to do is not have non flued gas appliances on, ok if your cooking on the stove but even then loads of ventilation.
 
People will quite rightly say that there is no difference using an unflued gas heater and cooking a baked dinner on the stove.
True - except that cooking is normally a supervised use during daylight hours while a heater could be on all night with all occupants asleep and the MH completely shut up where the risk of Oxygen depletion and subsequent CO production is much higher.

Having a separate gas bottle inside the MH, often feeding the appliance at full bottle pressure (as is the case with most catalytic heaters) also introduces significant extra safety hazards

Other less lethal problems include the production of quite large quantities of water vapour that will cause condensation problems unless the fixed ventilation is sufficient to allow it to escape.
 
catalytic heaters

Hi.
Does this also apply to catalytic heaters?.
Thanks.
Gerry.

I have a web address fer "FLULESS CATALYTIC HEATERS" if you want it,like you I am going down this road, have been using an old portable gas heater fer the last 3 year used sensible & I am still here.
A Wide awake snowgoose.:rolleyes:
 

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