misinterpretation by British police and DVLA of "6 months in 12" European law.

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misinterpretation by British police and DVLA of "6 months in 12" European law.

A British ex-patriate, whose Spanish-registered vehicle was unlawfully impounded by the Northamptonshire Police, has won the backing of the European Commission and forced the UK authorities to issue new guidelines to the DVLA and British police forces.

Peter West, who lives in Spain in the winter and in Puntous ( département des Hautes Pyrénées ) in the summer, visited the UK in his Spanish car for three weeks in July 2008 and then returned to Northampton, where his daughter lives, in February 2009 for the birth of his first grandchild.

However, the visit was marred when the Northamptonshire Police impounded his car, on the grounds that he had exceeded the permitted stay for a foreign registered vehicle, the so-called "six-months-in twelve" rule.

When Mr. West pointed out that, in total, his vehicle, which was fully-taxed and insured, had been in the country for only nine weeks, the police claimed that a European law, directive 83/182/EEC, stated that the car's return to Spain the previous year was irrelevant as "once a vehicle enters the country, a six month clock starts, with no breaks, even if the vehicle returns to its country of origin."

Mr. West refused to pay the £420 the Northamptonshire Police had demanded, arguing that this new interpretation of a thirty-year-old law, which had originally been introduced to make European motoring easier, was nonsense and would make more than one visit a year by expatriates to their families, as well as other regular visitors, almost impossible. After several days of argument, he was reunited with his vehicle.

Mr. West said : "I found out that other visitors from Europe, who had a limited understanding of English, had been caught in this trap. I therefore decided that I needed to follow this up to prevent other innocent expatriates and European visitors from being caught in what seemed to be a scam."

Letters to the Northamptonshire Police and the Driver & Vehicle Licensing Agency ( DVLA ) were met with a barrage of misrepresentation and evasion, leading Mr. West to take his case to the European Commission. After eighteen months, he has now received confirmation that the UK authorities accept that "only the time that a visiting vehicle actually spends in the United Kingdom is actually included in the calculation of establishing the six-months-in twelve period" and have agreed to "refresh" the operational guidelines issued to the DVLA's operational partners, the police.

"This has been very difficult for me." said Peter West. "Watching your car being loaded onto a pick-up truck by a policeman is a traumatic experience. I have not driven back since my car was taken, which means I have spent much less time with my family than I would have liked."

"There is too much bullying of ordinary people by U.K. government departments, including the police, who think they are above the Law. On this occasion I am happy that I have been able to strike a blow for the man in the street and, especially, for law-abiding expatriates who want to visit their families a couple of times a year."

" All that remains is for the Northamptonshire Police and the DVLA to apologise. But I shall not be holding my breath !"

Just read this artical from "Lost in France" Website.

Regards Nolly.
 
they never apologise . i cost dorset police and the camera partnership at least one and a half million quid but they never apologised to me but never mind . i dont forget. hee he .cheers alan.
 
they never apologise . i cost dorset police and the camera partnership at least one and a half million quid but they never apologised to me but never mind . i dont forget. hee he .cheers alan.

- and neither do they ... :)
 
they never apologise . i cost dorset police and the camera partnership at least one and a half million quid but they never apologised to me but never mind . i dont forget. hee he .cheers alan.

If they apoligise, they have admitted they are wrong. That will never happen. If ever they do, look out for the EXCUSE attachment.
 
Expats & Cars

A British ex-patriate, whose Spanish-registered vehicle was unlawfully impounded by the Northamptonshire Police, has won the backing of the European Commission and forced the UK authorities to issue new guidelines to the DVLA and British police forces.

Peter West, who lives in Spain in the winter and in Puntous ( département des Hautes Pyrénées ) in the summer, visited the UK in his Spanish car for three weeks in July 2008 and then returned to Northampton, where his daughter lives, in February 2009 for the birth of his first grandchild.

However, the visit was marred when the Northamptonshire Police impounded his car, on the grounds that he had exceeded the permitted stay for a foreign registered vehicle, the so-called "six-months-in twelve" rule.

When Mr. West pointed out that, in total, his vehicle, which was fully-taxed and insured, had been in the country for only nine weeks, the police claimed that a European law, directive 83/182/EEC, stated that the car's return to Spain the previous year was irrelevant as "once a vehicle enters the country, a six month clock starts, with no breaks, even if the vehicle returns to its country of origin."

Mr. West refused to pay the £420 the Northamptonshire Police had demanded, arguing that this new interpretation of a thirty-year-old law, which had originally been introduced to make European motoring easier, was nonsense and would make more than one visit a year by expatriates to their families, as well as other regular visitors, almost impossible. After several days of argument, he was reunited with his vehicle.

Mr. West said : "I found out that other visitors from Europe, who had a limited understanding of English, had been caught in this trap. I therefore decided that I needed to follow this up to prevent other innocent expatriates and European visitors from being caught in what seemed to be a scam."

Letters to the Northamptonshire Police and the Driver & Vehicle Licensing Agency ( DVLA ) were met with a barrage of misrepresentation and evasion, leading Mr. West to take his case to the European Commission. After eighteen months, he has now received confirmation that the UK authorities accept that "only the time that a visiting vehicle actually spends in the United Kingdom is actually included in the calculation of establishing the six-months-in twelve period" and have agreed to "refresh" the operational guidelines issued to the DVLA's operational partners, the police.

"This has been very difficult for me." said Peter West. "Watching your car being loaded onto a pick-up truck by a policeman is a traumatic experience. I have not driven back since my car was taken, which means I have spent much less time with my family than I would have liked."

"There is too much bullying of ordinary people by U.K. government departments, including the police, who think they are above the Law. On this occasion I am happy that I have been able to strike a blow for the man in the street and, especially, for law-abiding expatriates who want to visit their families a couple of times a year."

" All that remains is for the Northamptonshire Police and the DVLA to apologise. But I shall not be holding my breath !"

Just read this artical from "Lost in France" Website.

Regards Nolly.

This is great Info:). For me being an Expat and visiting the UK, so thanks for the "Heads Up". It really doesn't surprise me about the Law, they are given too much power and not enough common sense to make it work sensibly! However, I am amazed at the Number of Foreign registered plates in the UK that seem to be there for months on end and they pick on a British Citizen on Holiday. However, after being in Spain for 4 years now, you would be surprised to know about the Hundreds of UK cars that are being driven round here on UK plates permantly, none of them showing Tax discs and the reason for that is they don't have MOT's!!!:confused:
 
they never apologise . i cost dorset police and the camera partnership at least one and a half million quid but they never apologised to me but never mind . i dont forget. hee he .cheers alan.

Alan, you mean it's cost the tax payer. Your not so "friendly" DVLA also misinterpretated the Law. Which is the point I was making in another thread about ambiguities, in that even the authorities don't understand what they're on about in some cases.
In thiis case the complainant did the right thing and used his common sense.
 
i meant the camera partnership. it went to the house of lords .there was a big decision as to who pays it back. the courts had to give some and the partnership returned others . yes the tax payer probably did lose a bit with the wages of the police etc . but they get payed to make their mistakes anyway. i know the barrister that handled my crown court bit got a pretty penny. the real thing is authority gets it wrong and still noone loses a job or gets punished but thouisands had a endorsment on their licence and got fined all because wauthority got it wrong.
 
This is great Info:). For me being an Expat and visiting the UK, so thanks for the "Heads Up". It really doesn't surprise me about the Law, they are given too much power and not enough common sense to make it work sensibly! However, I am amazed at the Number of Foreign registered plates in the UK that seem to be there for months on end and they pick on a British Citizen on Holiday. However, after being in Spain for 4 years now, you would be surprised to know about the Hundreds of UK cars that are being driven round here on UK plates permantly, none of them showing Tax discs and the reason for that is they don't have MOT's!!!:confused:

As a matter of fact a fair number of us on this forum spend nearly as much time in Spain
as the UK, so we know exactly what you mean about Brits (and others) floating round Spain in British registered vehicles without Tax, MOT and Insurance for years. vwalan has written a recent post about the Spanish Police tightening up on this recently. There's a guy who sells MOTs in Spain, adevrtises in SUR. Must be illegal though, because I'm sure you cannot issue certs outside UK not even in Gibraltar. Let alone connect up to the VOSA computer.
 
i meant the camera partnership. it went to the house of lords .there was a big decision as to who pays it back. the courts had to give some and the partnership returned others . yes the tax payer probably did lose a bit with the wages of the police etc . but they get payed to make their mistakes anyway. i know the barrister that handled my crown court bit got a pretty penny. the real thing is authority gets it wrong and still noone loses a job or gets punished but thouisands had a endorsment on their licence and got fined all because wauthority got it wrong.


Hmmm.....Now where've I heard that before?

Been tackling some good ones recently Alan - proper real life stuff! Great fun!
 
hi, no trying to get ready for off. still have jobs to do on truck. soon be time . did put a new road rent in the window this morning . very disabling i must say. cant go away with out a new disc. ha ha . service and a good look over . still not fitted new panels on roof but have got a new pulse modulation regulator . hopefully be nice weather for a bit longer. was bloody hot here yesterday and today . i went for a ride on m,bike it was so nice t shirt and no gloves ideal . want it like that every day. if it was be no need to go away. had a health check yesterday so already to party. have fun i do. cheers alan.
 
UK Reg in Spain

As a matter of fact a fair number of us on this forum spend nearly as much time in Spain
as the UK, so we know exactly what you mean about Brits (and others) floating round Spain in British registered vehicles without Tax, MOT and Insurance for years. vwalan has written a recent post about the Spanish Police tightening up on this recently. There's a guy who sells MOTs in Spain, adevrtises in SUR. Must be illegal though, because I'm sure you cannot issue certs outside UK not even in Gibraltar. Let alone connect up to the VOSA computer.

I have seen the advert for the guy selling MOTs in a local paper, surely its just a matter of time before he's eating paella & learning Spanish the hard way for a number of years! I believe that the cars in Gib' don't need ITVs (MOTs) similar to some of the Islands on Shetland (I was there for a few years), but if the car goes to the mainland then it needs to be done. It's a pity there isn't a reward for every car spotted that has been "sorned" in the UK and being driven out here, What an easy part time job with great earning potential. I have been told that the police out here will soon be able to link back to the UK DVLA and check the system. My advice, stay clear of old UK Reg cars if you want to hold onto your NCD while driving in Spain.:cool:
 
They have a vehicle test in Gib. similar to UK test and also called the MOT. Never refer to it as the ITV to a Gibbo!!! Unfortunately its not tied in with the UK system ,it would save some of us a bit of hassle if it was.The test centre is in a convenient spot for larger vans being on Devils Tower Road.
If legit MOTs were available in Gib it would give the "no documents brigade" even less excuses for their misdemeanors.
 

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