Leisure Battery ?

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I think my leisure battery is about expired. After a two hour run it perhaps lasts an hour or so .. with frugal illumination of lamps and thats about it.

It is not in the easiest of locations for charging .i.e under the front passenger seat. but on the basis even after a top up on sites it still gives up the ghost it is shot ?

It is 85 amp hour...

A couple questions would it make sense for a 110 amp bearing in mind I want the 'wild' opportunites a camping car offers ?

When camped up to keep it tip top. What is the best way solar panel or wind power ?

Any advice has to how best I can remain campsite free would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Channa
 
I think my leisure battery is about expired. After a two hour run it perhaps lasts an hour or so .. with frugal illumination of lamps and thats about it.

It is not in the easiest of locations for charging .i.e under the front passenger seat. but on the basis even after a top up on sites it still gives up the ghost it is shot ?

It is 85 amp hour...

A couple questions would it make sense for a 110 amp bearing in mind I want the 'wild' opportunites a camping car offers ?

When camped up to keep it tip top. What is the best way solar panel or wind power ?

Any advice has to how best I can remain campsite free would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Channa

I would say a sola panel the bigger the better and probably a minimum of a 80watt no less.:)
 
Solar or Wind Power???

I think my leisure battery is about expired. After a two hour run it perhaps lasts an hour or so .. with frugal illumination of lamps and thats about it.

It is not in the easiest of locations for charging .i.e under the front passenger seat. but on the basis even after a top up on sites it still gives up the ghost it is shot ?

It is 85 amp hour...

A couple questions would it make sense for a 110 amp bearing in mind I want the 'wild' opportunites a camping car offers ?

When camped up to keep it tip top. What is the best way solar panel or wind power ?

Any advice has to how best I can remain campsite free would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Channa

Neither. On a good summer day in Europe the apparent angle to the sun is no greater than 60 deg. On a winter day in Spain your gonna get far less than that, more or less 40 deg. Solar panels, at least monocrystilline, want 90 deg.for optimal efficiency. Not to mention that most of Europe sees only half a year of clear sunshine if we are lucky. With that in mind you can simplify things down to this; say 90 deg to the sun with your 100 watt panel reaps and harvests about 4.75 Amps/Hr. (You can do your own math but the tricky thing about solar panels is they produce electricity at about 19 - 26 volts; so 100 watts/21 v. = ca. 4.75 Amps) Now simply reduce that optimal equation by the apparent angles that occur throughout the year I.E. 4.75 x .3 (30 deg. in winter) and you get a whopping 1.425 Amp/Hr. output. Its not really that simple, it's logrithmic actually, so you will really yeild less output but this is just a general guideline. The nitty gritty here is that to recover from a long winter night of partying you will need a full roof load of panels and a way to aim them effectively throughout the sun's track.

Wind genny's need wind. A lot to do the job, say 15 knots or better. Plus isolation is the key to a good nights sleep, without good isolation you will think you are sleeping in a Cessna 2 seater. They aren't all that loud, just the cheap ones, but they all whirrr when they have enough wind to do the trick. By the way, the minimum you can expect from them is an amazing 5 - 8 amps/hr. on a windy cliff... remember "per hour!" so herein lies the attraction to wind power. Perseverance pays off with charging systems, the longer you wait the more you get to use later.

Both systems can add up big and drain your wallet faster than you can drain your leisure batteries. On the continent, basic systems run about 1,500 Euros plus. Here's my tack - Get a 1000w Honda generator. Not so green and some noise issues but at half the outlay of those other systems, these little portable suitcase sized inverter generators are reliable battery chargers in any weather and any time of the year. Typically one will refill your batteries in less than an couple of hours. (Depending on your charger capability, 30 Amp chargers are fairly typical) The bonus is that while you are charging you can be running the computer or telly too! Yes there is a petrol cost but a 1000w Honda will run over 10 hours on 2.4 liters. That's only .25p per hour!

Also check out this post for the dope on batteries;
http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/55201-post3.html

Green or Efficient... Your Call!
 
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Hi Channa,
like Gary said a solar panel will keep your battery topped up, the bigger the better. I use a 55 watt panel, roof mounted, charging 2x 85amp/hr leisure batteries without problems.

Happy Camping:)
 
What about my replacement battery is there a benefit in upgrading to 110 amps from 85 ?

Sorry but physics science never was my strong point...'This boy is not the paper he refuses to write on ' I think was the general concensus of my tutors.

Thanks

Channa
 
A battery rated at 110 Amp Hour will yield (Channa you have math issues, I've got spelling ones) about 50% of that rating before it reaches critical charge state (Dipping below 12v) therefore you will enjoy about 50 amp hours of usage. You need to make a Ampere consumption budget and see if you will need all that. Here's what you do. Add up all the consumers in watts and multiply by the number of hours you will use each of them, then devide by 12. This will give you your Amp hour consumption. For example;

TV... 70 watts x 3 hours = 210
Computer... 90 watts x 30 minutes = 45
Lights (3) 10 watt halogens x 4 hours = 120

210 + 45 + 120 = 375 watts
devide 375 by 12 = 31.25 Amp hours

If this were run off your 85 Amp hour battery (85 x 50% = 42.5 useable Amp Hours) then all would be honkey dory, get it? Remember you need to efficiently replace those spent amps, fortunately a decent alternator will put all that back in a two hour drive. Faster if the starter battery is in top shape too!
 
Hi Channa,

No physics or maths but just good old fashioned experience.

Spent 6 months traveling around spain and Portugal, and various vestivals there after.

Have got two 110 Ahr leisure bateries on board these are charged by 110 Watt solar pannels ( flat on the roof) and a "smartcom" box of tricks which charges them up while the engine is running.

All of this kept us in sounds and light with out any problem. Only when we were parked up in southern Spain for three weeks did we ever run out of juice but even then it was a matter of turning off the stereo and chatting and reading a book till morning!

To answer your original question, yes replace your battery. the more Ahrs you have the better. And to really stir up the hornets nest I would advise 'wet' rater than gel type (cheaper and easier to maintain)

Hope that helps

M
 
To change to 110 amp from 85 amp you need to see if it fits as 110 type
are usually bigger in length.
 
We have got an 85amp solar panel, and a 130amp gel mat battery. Last year we changed our lights to LEDs. As long as we have a run around in the vehicle for a few hours every 3/4th day, we have plenty of power for our needs, and that includes a hubby that is a telly adict, and me that needs to shower everyother day.

Jackie ;)
 
TBH hardly ever watch tv ...perhaps twice a year..My main drain when laid up is the fridge lighting and possibly the extractor fan when the fayre has gone pearshape

From the sounds of it an 85 amp should do

Channa.
 
I would advise 'wet' rater than gel type (cheaper and easier to maintain)

First part is certainly true, but "easier" to maintain??
 
For all info on batteries google "sterling". their website is a mine of info!
 
TBH hardly ever watch tv ...perhaps twice a year..My main drain when laid up is the fridge lighting and possibly the extractor fan when the fayre has gone pearshape

From the sounds of it an 85 amp should do

Channa.

if your going to spend money on a 85amp then you may as well for a couple of quid more get the extra amps, near me is a boat yard who does 85's for £55 and 110 for £65 £10 for an extra 25amps sound!!:)
 
LED's help Immensely

We have got an 85amp solar panel, and a 130amp gel mat battery. Last year we changed our lights to LEDs. As long as we have a run around in the vehicle for a few hours every 3/4th day, we have plenty of power for our needs, and that includes a hubby that is a telly adict, and me that needs to shower everyother day.

Jackie ;)

LED's are the way to go, see the thread below for my story;
http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/55106-post12.html

Oh yeah, just to stay with the flow of the posts... Lead Acid still gives the most sparks for the buck! They can take the deepest discharge and re-fill quickly. And the cost per cycle is still very affordable. Just make shure you truly get "Deep Cycle" and you will be in business for as long as you maintain them (a little distilled H2O now and then) and treat them with respect (Do not discharge below 12v. at least not habitually!). About 4-6 years for the average user.

Every little bit helps!
 
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TBH honest has much has I want to be green etc ...my feelings are echoed by the bard.

My consioence prevents me ....yet my poverty permits me.( and Mr Coleman my English teacher your comments re my spelling were correct )

I go wet battery ? work out my potential drain and give it all a kick form there ?

Thanks for your help everyone.

I guess what I am trying to establish on limitrd means, my battery is U/s I have 85 amps at the momen t..how do I replace ?and with what ?

Channa
 
if your just looking to replace your battery do as suggested and measure your 85amp to be sure of measurement but spend a bit xtra and get bigger amps, find a local chandlerytoo they are as i've found usually cheaper for batteries and they good ones too cause theysupply to the boaters:cool:
 
I today eventually got around to replacing the leisure battery ...wet type 85 amps.

A bugger of a job having to take the passenger seat out to get at the thing.

Anyway when the new one was in its place and I switched on the ignition to the van .....there was an almighty clicking ( like a relay sound)...for a couple of seconds and then it stopped.

All electrics on board seem to be working, (but the battery shows fully charged so they should)

FWIW I know for a fact I didnt cross polarity on fitting, although I fitted the negative terminal first.(but the van is negative earthed)

I am just concerned I may have done something to the charger thing that recharges the leisure battery on the move ?...No way of telling until I do a trip.

Is this clicking thing normal ? is there a rational explanation ? ....and should I be concerned ?.

Thanks in advance

Channa
 

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