legalise wildcamping website

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been browsing around today and came across this site http://www.legalisewildcamping.com/ makes a good read although i would say it mainly steers towards people in tents although i imagine we would come under the same laws when wildcamping...what are your views..sammclouis :)
 
sammclouis said:
been browsing around today and came across this site http://www.legalisewildcamping.com/ makes a good read although i would say it mainly steers towards people in tents although i imagine we would come under the same laws when wildcamping...what are your views..sammclouis :)
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dont know how the law works but this is as i read it, a car towing a caravan cannot park for the night because if they lower the legs then it is classed as a semi permanent residence this was according to the caravan club but a motor home you do not have to lower the legs thus you are only parking if a car park states overnight parking allowed ie a payment is made to do so and nowhere on that notice states no sleeping then i cannot see where the law is broken also a motorhome is a veichle designed to sleep in as per a hgv and they are allowed to park ovenight so long as they do not break any weight limits .
 
mandrake said:
dont know how the law works but this is as i read it, a car towing a caravan cannot park for the night because if they lower the legs then it is classed as a semi permanent residence this was according to the caravan club but a motor home you do not have to lower the legs thus you are only parking if a car park states overnight parking allowed ie a payment is made to do so and nowhere on that notice states no sleeping then i cannot see where the law is broken also a motorhome is a veichle designed to sleep in as per a hgv and they are allowed to park ovenight so long as they do not break any weight limits .
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That sound's about right to me Mandrake.;)
 
I wasn't aware that wild camping was illegal. If I pull up in a layby and have a sleep there is very little a copper can do about it.

"I'm sorry officer but I am very tired and it would not be safe for me to continue driving without a having some sleep." The officer now has to think long and hard about sending you on your way.
 
I'd have thought a bit of common sense should prevail.I've yet to be moved on anywhere.
It must make more sense to park up overnight if tired after a long run than to carry on risking dozing off whilst driving.
 
Baconsdozen said:
I'd have thought a bit of common sense should prevail.I've yet to be moved on anywhere.
It must make more sense to park up overnight if tired after a long run than to carry on risking dozing off whilst driving.
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Yes indeed. We've never been moved on from any overnight parking place in the UK.
However, strictly speaking you do need the landowner's permission.
To address the motorhome vs HGV issue, the stationing of both motorhomes and caravans is regulated by the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act because they are both 'designed or adapted for the purposes of human habitation', HGVs are not so they are not regulated in the same way.

AndyC
 
How come its so bad for us to overnight in a layby or quite car park and get yelled of or have the fear of it on our minds when ... Tinks, tatters, what ever you want to call them just stop any where make a vile mess and it takes weeks and a fortune to make them move ?
 
wolfram said:
How come its so bad for us to overnight in a layby or quite car park and get yelled of or have the fear of it on our minds when ... Tinks, tatters, what ever you want to call them just stop any where make a vile mess and it takes weeks and a fortune to make them move ?
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It's because of 'travellers' that most of the current restrictions that also affect us have been brought in.

Sadly many 'travellers' are their own worst enemy, several good overnighting laybys near us have been closed over the last few years, solely because they were occupied a couple of times a year by 'travellers' who always left piles of rubbish behind them.

On the other hand we also get a small group of Romany families who take up residence on one of the wide grass verges of the back lanes by us, for a week or two every year. They cause no trouble at all and when they leave the place is as tidy as when they arrived.

AndyC
 
AndyC said:
It's because of 'travellers' that most of the current restrictions that also affect us have been brought in.

Sadly many 'travellers' are their own worst enemy, several good overnighting laybys near us have been closed over the last few years, solely because they were occupied a couple of times a year by 'travellers' who always left piles of rubbish behind them.

On the other hand we also get a small group of Romany families who take up residence on one of the wide grass verges of the back lanes by us, for a week or two every year. They cause no trouble at all and when they leave the place is as tidy as when they arrived.

AndyC
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lol ... have thought about using the Romany tag as ...I am part Roma on my mothers side ..;)

Well I think its time someone used discretion and left us alone I tax my vehicle too
 
wolfram said:
lol ... have thought about using the Romany tag as ...I am part Roma on my mothers side ..;)

Well I think its time someone used discretion and left us alone I tax my vehicle too
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I think, generally speaking, discretion is used. A tidy campervan or motorhome parked up in a layby for one night may be tolerated, where a group of Transit vans pulling twin axle caravans would not be. Doesn't make it lawful though...

I've just has a look at the petitioner's website, the petition is aimed squarely at getting the same rights for England and Wales as now exist for some access land in Scotland for people accessing the land on foot to camp with a tent or bivvy. IMO it's a very reasonable request and, because of other interests I have, I will sign it.

However, even if the petition does result in a change in the law, it is extremely unlikely (and is not the intention of the petitioner) that any resulting legislation will give any similar rights to motor vehicles.

AndyC
 
clarkson said:
I wasn't aware that wild camping was illegal. If I pull up in a layby and have a sleep there is very little a copper can do about it.

"I'm sorry officer but I am very tired and it would not be safe for me to continue driving without a having some sleep." The officer now has to think long and hard about sending you on your way.
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i dont think the police are realy interested about the odd van or two parked up on a night, its just our councils that want to interfere with us. they have more fiddles than enough but dont like to see us getting anything for nothing .
 
***** said:
The trouble now is that camera evidence is now all that is needed to send any of us a ticket:eek:
They can drive on at night and take a picy or use a security camera and send a ticket fine to us a couple of weeks later and we have to pay up:eek::eek::eek: meaning that you can never totally relax if parked ant where where you should not be:mad::D
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Read the restrictions board before you park. They have to tell you what the penalty is before you park there.
 
AndyC said:
I think, generally speaking, discretion is used. A tidy campervan or motorhome parked up in a layby for one night may be tolerated, where a group of Transit vans pulling twin axle caravans would not be. Doesn't make it lawful though...

I've just has a look at the petitioner's website, the petition is aimed squarely at getting the same rights for England and Wales as now exist for some access land in Scotland for people accessing the land on foot to camp with a tent or bivvy. IMO it's a very reasonable request and, because of other interests I have, I will sign it.

However, even if the petition does result in a change in the law, it is extremely unlikely (and is not the intention of the petitioner) that any resulting legislation will give any similar rights to motor vehicles.

AndyC
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it is not illegal to park in a lay by over night and sleep if in a motor home or even a van with a mattress in the back in fact there used to be a car parked in a lay by just outside lester it was there for at least 18 months when i used to deliver for super drug and someone used to sleep in the front seat it is only the local councils that are trying to stop us from staying in a car park
 
clarkson said:
Read the restrictions board before you park. They have to tell you what the penalty is before you park there.
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A picture produced as evidence, providing you were not spread about with chairs or tables etc, proves only that you were parking and if the board says overnight parking is permissable then a photo would be irrelevant.
 
AndyC said:
It's because of 'travellers' that most of the current restrictions that also affect us have been brought in.

Sadly many 'travellers' are their own worst enemy, several good overnighting laybys near us have been closed over the last few years, solely because they were occupied a couple of times a year by 'travellers' who always left piles of rubbish behind them.

On the other hand we also get a small group of Romany families who take up residence on one of the wide grass verges of the back lanes by us, for a week or two every year. They cause no trouble at all and when they leave the place is as tidy as when they arrived.

AndyC
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yes the true Romany or travelers are good people it is just the vagrant vagabond lowlife good for nothing tinkers (the travelers i know hate them) they give everybody a bad name
 
tresrikay said:
A picture produced as evidence, providing you were not spread about with chairs or tables etc, proves only that you were parking and if the board says overnight parking is permissable then a photo would be irrelevant.
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there are signs that state no cooking or overnight sleeping on the marine drive in Scarborough, that you cannot go against. but if a car park says overnight parking then i do not see why you cannot sleep in your vehicle as long as you pay .me personally i am going to use lay bys in future sod the hassle.
 
mandrake said:
there are signs that state no cooking or overnight sleeping on the marine drive in Scarborough, that you cannot go against. but if a car park says overnight parking then i do not see why you cannot sleep in your vehicle as long as you pay .me personally i am going to use lay bys in future sod the hassle.
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We have used car parks where there is a rate for overnight parking, or a rate for 24 hours, and no posted restriction on sleeping/cooking/camping etc. The problem is that, although there may be no posted restriction, there may be local by-laws (usually "Off-street parking places regulations") prohibiting sleeping in vehicles etc. My argument, if challenged, would be that I was complying with the posted regulations and that it was not possible for me to know of any additional restrictions that might be in force.

The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act does in fact place restrictions on the stationing of 'caravans' (the term, as defined in the Act, includes motor caravans), however I don't expect many of the people employed to monitor car parks are aware of the law...

AndyC
 
Samm

Sorry this is of topic.
I think you are the first member to get a sticky mate.;)
 
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