La Azohia Spain

[Deleted member 9237]

I had to think twice before posting this incase it upset some. Today i got a call from my brother in law in La Azohia at a council meeting i was agreed that a warden would be employed to keep an eye on motorhomes that stay there now i know a few members on here like it there so i would not like to see them getting into problems when they come down, Its been agreed with the police the following. If caught empty cassette down a manhole the fine will be 500 euros dumping rubbish 200 euros these will be on the spot fines. I know that the members dont its just in case you meet up with someone that tells you its ok to use the manholes. This warden has a camera with him and will call the local police. :wave:

 

[carol]

Does that mean that they are tolerating the parking then? Are they going to advertise the fines or just catch people? I've only spent 2 nights there so just interested. However, while I was there a regular visitor took me to the manhole and was adamant the locals didn't mind. I wouldn't have done it in broad daylight if I'd known otherwise! Out of interest Ken, do you know the nearest place with official dumps, water etc?

 

[Deleted member 9237]

Does that man that they are tolerating the parking then? Are they going to advertise the fines or just catch people? I've only spent 2 nights there so just interested. However, while I was there a regular visitor took me to the manhole and was adamant the locals didn't mind. I wouldn't have done it in broad daylight if I'd known otherwise! Out of interest Ken, do you know the nearest place with official dumps, water etc?

I think myself they have done this to keep the locals happy i was down there for 3 months and a large amount of locals are not happy with all the motorhomes that come there, The only place i know to empty and fill with fresh water is a campsite but i am sure someone knows more places. About the signs i will try and find out for you but i think they will have to put some up. what i can,t understand is why do some people do silly things to upset others i had a problem with a nice German man this year,

 

[iampatman]

Does that man that they are tolerating the parking then? Are they going to advertise the fines or just catch people? I've only spent 2 nights there so just interested. However, while I was there a regular visitor took me to the manhole and was adamant the locals didn't mind. I wouldn't have done it in broad daylight if I'd known otherwise! Out of interest Ken, do you know the nearest place with official dumps, water etc?

Hi Carol,

I reckon the nearest place with official dumps will be the campsite at Los Madriles, just off the RM-E22
37.580732 -1.19595.

Pat

 

[ducato]

Ken Just to make it clear for me , does putting solid waste in the bins near the entrance constitute dumping rubbish .

 

[QFour]

There’s a nice little earner for you there Ken. You could charge €5 to empty cassette into large tank and then get the guy with the pump to pump it out occasionally or provide spades and get your allotment dug over and fertilised at the same time.

 

[QFour]

Ken Just to make it clear for me , does putting solid waste in the bins near the entrance constitute dumping rubbish .

Putting solid waste in bins will just antagonise the locals even more. A lot of people use the bins not just MH’s.

 

[jagmanx]

Out of interest only

1 What do locals do with their dog poo ?

2 What to do with household rubbish ?

If no provision is available for
Rubbish
Grey water
Black waste

I take my business and cash elswhere !
(Pun intended)

 

[iampatman]

1 What do locals do with their dog poo ?

2 What to do with household rubbish ?

If no provision is available for
Rubbish
Grey water
Black waste

I take my business and cash elswhere !
(Pun intended)

But, it’s not an official Motorhome stop. It’s a big lump of sloping land that has been colonized by the MH community. Hence, no facilities. I’m pretty sure the locals dispose of their waste appropriately but the MH folk have not been doing so and that’s why they’ve got a bit annoyed. Can’t blame them really.

Pat

 

[rugbyken]

al over spain and portugal we have motorhomes caravaning parked up for months at a time almost invariably with a towcar in which they shoot of to the nearest big town to shop and spend putting nothing back into the local community that provides the facilities or have to endure their presence, little wonder they don’t see any difference between them and motorhome tourists visiting for a few days happily patronising local bars & restaurants ,

 

[Tezza]

Moved from there 2 days ago. A car was parked over the manhole all the time we were there. Tonight in another forum somebody stated the manholes had been welded up either today or yesterday after we left . Didn’t see no rubbish being tipped . 2 large bins right in front and another two just past the spar.saw nothing untoward going on.

 

[QFour]

This is just the attitude that has caused the problem. Burning waste in public you just have to be joking unless you are thinking of barbecuing it.

If you had a load of people in Caravans and MHs living next door to your house for months on end, on a piece of waste land, burning rubbish and peeing round the back of the MHs and Caravans, you would not be very happy and probably call them Gypsies.

Exactly the same .. Think about it .. I’m sure you would not be happy and be on the phone to the Local Council DEMANDING Action.

..

 

[AdiosAdios]

La Azohia Wild Camping?

Does burning your waste create a problem?

I’m surprised you had to ask! Let me put things in perspective from the point of view of another local resident. The number of campervans last winter and the behaviour of some of them brought things to a head for the locals last year. A number of campers were found and some photographed lifting manhole covers to dump their waste, and when challenged by locals some of the locals were threatened. The privately owned land between the two restaurants ( it is not owned by either restaurant) was strewn with litter and campers were photographed dismantling taps on the beach to fill campervan tanks. The public toilets near the permanent chiringuito in san gines were also left in a disgusting state with every inch of the cubicles used DISGUSTING! So you can understand why the locals are rebelling!
For the record the locals pay property tax and council tax. A part of the council tax pays for the supply of water to the beach for the legitimate use of locals and day trippers not for campervanners to use lots of litres to freely fill their tanks.
Water here is also expensive far more expensive than in the UK. A proportion of the money paid by householders is sent to the town hall for them to manage sanitation on HIDROGEA’s behalf. Waste from chemical toilets should not be poured directly into the sewerage system because it needs specialist treatment first and a continual dump into the system in the past without flushing has caused problems with blockages mosquitoes and flys for the locals in recent times. Earlier in the year the people with the Big Belgium camper van which is on the Rambla by the church for well over six months a year were found discharging their big tanks directly into a man hole cover by Bongora and as far as they were concerned they were doing the locals a favour. I think not! Don’t kid yourself that wild camping contributes to the local economy. There is lots of evidence to show that it doesn’t. Book into a legitimate site pay your fees and then you will be making a contribution. As ever the minority spoil it for the majority. It’s time for you to go.

 

[alcam]

I’m surprised you had to ask! Let me put things in perspective from the point of view of another local resident. The number of campervans last winter and the behaviour of some of them brought things to a head for the locals last year. A number of campers were found and some photographed lifting manhole covers to dump their waste, and when challenged by locals some of the locals were threatened. The privately owned land between the two restaurants ( it is not owned by either restaurant) was strewn with litter and campers were photographed dismantling taps on the beach to fill campervan tanks. The public toilets near the permanent chiringuito in san gines were also left in a disgusting state with every inch of the cubicles used DISGUSTING! So you can understand why the locals are rebelling!
For the record the locals pay property tax and council tax. A part of the council tax pays for the supply of water to the beach for the legitimate use of locals and day trippers not for campervanners to use lots of litres to freely fill their tanks.
Water here is also expensive far more expensive than in the UK. A proportion of the money paid by householders is sent to the town hall for them to manage sanitation on HIDROGEA’s behalf. Waste from chemical toilets should not be poured directly into the sewerage system because it needs specialist treatment first and a continual dump into the system in the past without flushing has caused problems with blockages mosquitoes and flys for the locals in recent times. Earlier in the year the people with the Big Belgium camper van which is on the Rambla by the church for well over six months a year were found discharging their big tanks directly into a man hole cover by Bongora and as far as they were concerned they were doing the locals a favour. I think not! Don’t kid yourself that wild camping contributes to the local economy. There is lots of evidence to show that it doesn’t. Book into a legitimate site pay your fees and then you will be making a contribution. As ever the minority spoil it for the majority. It’s time for you to go.

Only point I'll make , apart from the impression I get that you are on a crusade[?] , is that I contribute a lot to anywhere I stay . I go to sites very occasionally , when it suits me . I eat out at least twice a day , buy at local shops and frequent local bars . Staying on a site I'm more likely to self cater thus contributing less to the local economy .

 

[AdiosAdios]

Only point I'll make , apart from the impression I get that you are on a crusade[?] , is that I contribute a lot to anywhere I stay . I go to sites very occasionally , when it suits me . I eat out at least twice a day , buy at local shops and frequent local bars . Staying on a site I'm more likely to self cater thus contributing less to the local economy .

It’s not a crusade, it’s local people standing up for their rights and protecting the local environment for the benefit of residents and legitimate visitors who care for the place.
The town hall on behalf of Hidrogea the water company is sealing manholes to prevent illegal dumping. This costs money provided by local residents. The clearing of rubbish is paid for by local residents, the water on the beach is paid for by local residents to provide a facility for beach users not camper vanners to fill their tanks.
Perhaps you could speak to your fellow camper vanners and raise some of these points with them. As a matter of interest Los Madriles is a fantastic local site with excellent facilities. No need to park on dirt or mud there, but yes it costs money. And why spend that when you can get others to pick up the tab.

 

[alcam]

It’s not a crusade, it’s local people standing up for their rights and protecting the local environment for the benefit of residents and legitimate visitors who care for the place.
The town hall on behalf of Hidrogea the water company is sealing manholes to prevent illegal dumping. This costs money provided by local residents. The clearing of rubbish is paid for by local residents, the water on the beach is paid for by local residents to provide a facility for beach users not camper vanners to fill their tanks.
Perhaps you could speak to your fellow camper vanners and raise some of these points with them. As a matter of interest Los Madriles is a fantastic local site with excellent facilities. No need to park on dirt or mud there, but yes it costs money. And why spend that when you can get others to pick up the tab.

Read my post .
For clarification I was referring to all of Spain . It is a fact that I (don't know about others) spend a lot more when not a site .
You do appear to be on a crusade for us all to go to campsites . Makes me wonder why you are on here

 

[jagmanx]

Your post is sensible enough but....

It’s not a crusade, it’s local people standing up for their rights and protecting the local environment for the benefit of residents and legitimate visitors who care for the place.
The town hall on behalf of Hidrogea the water company is sealing manholes to prevent illegal dumping. This costs money provided by local residents. The clearing of rubbish is paid for by local residents, the water on the beach is paid for by local residents to provide a facility for beach users not camper vanners to fill their tanks.
Perhaps you could speak to your fellow camper vanners and raise some of these points with them. As a matter of interest Los Madriles is a fantastic local site with excellent facilities. No need to park on dirt or mud there, but yes it costs money. And why spend that when you can get others to pick up the tab.

However as others have pointed out many do not wish to use camp-sites.
Thus as well as employing a warden (which costs) perhaps the council should install a facility where motorhomes can dispose of
a) Grey water
b) Cassette waste
c) Recyclable rubbish
d) Other rubbish
FOR A FEE
and get say 50 litres of fresh water again for a fee

This seems to be easy enough in other EU countries
Indeed in ITALY facilities for a and b above and fresh water are available at many many motorway services.

However in Italy c and d above are a huge problem and the locals simply discard c and d liberally

I am contemplating a trip to SPAIN but threads like this and others put me off..

I hasten to add I like wildcamping but am happy to "Pay and Stay at "Glorified and organised car-parks" that promote overnight stops.
We rarely stay more than 3 nights and spend money in local shops

 

[QFour]

It’s not a crusade, it’s local people standing up for their rights and protecting the local environment for the benefit of residents and legitimate visitors who care for the place.
The town hall on behalf of Hidrogea the water company is sealing manholes to prevent illegal dumping. This costs money provided by local residents. The clearing of rubbish is paid for by local residents, the water on the beach is paid for by local residents to provide a facility for beach users not camper vanners to fill their tanks.
Perhaps you could speak to your fellow camper vanners and raise some of these points with them. As a matter of interest Los Madriles is a fantastic local site with excellent facilities. No need to park on dirt or mud there, but yes it costs money. And why spend that when you can get others to pick up the tab.

As a heads up, Los Madriles does not allow dogs. Playa de Mazarron in Bolnuevo welcomes dogs and there is a dedicated dog beach.

Mrs QFour

 

[carol]

As a heads up, Los Madriles does not allow dogs. Playa de Mazarron in Bolnuevo welcomes dogs and there is a dedicated dog beach.

Mrs QFour

What are the places that you mentioned? Camp sites, Aires or other?

 

[QFour]

Both are campsites. We like Playa de Mazarron. It’s an ACSI site and has good facilities, including a lovely pool.

Mrs QFour