Getting bans lifted

[MartianTom]

Commenting on the government's proposal to raise the maximum speed limit to 80 mph (largely based on police estimates that some 49% of drivers flout the 70 mph limit on motorways), Transport Secretary Phil Hammond commented "We operate in a democracy of policing by consent. If 50% of the population are routinely breaking the law, it's the law that needs looking at."

So... if at least 50% of campervan and motorhome owners carry on parking in restricted areas... :idea:


In terms of observing speed limits, we must be amongst the most law-abiding people on the road, so we've already got money in the defence fund!

 

[Firefox]

I doubt 50% of motorhome owner park in naughty places, LOL.

I'd say it's more like 5%. Go to one of the bigger motorhome forums and it's chock full of posh retired couples with brand new vans who wouldn't dream of using anything other than a regular campsite with all the trimmings.

People like those on this forum are very much in the minority.

 

[donkey too]

'Ave we got some posh people on this site? can we see some at the next meet>:lol-049::lol-061::cheers:
Ah now I see. the posh one are the ones who stick their pinky out when they lift their beer mugs.

 

[oldish hippy]

The posh ones wont park where i park frighten of getting them scratched, or not having a enough space around them,mine get driven in to small spaces it so well hidden sometimes ,did in layby in cornwall parked right beside a picnic table invisible unless u parked in layby,ok it tiny but does the job it aint posh but it does the job

 

[MartianTom]

I doubt 50% of motorhome owner park in naughty places, LOL.

I'd say it's more like 5%. Go to one of the bigger motorhome forums and it's chock full of posh retired couples with brand new vans who wouldn't dream of using anything other than a regular campsite with all the trimmings.

People like those on this forum are very much in the minority.

Yeah.... and I don't think it's necessarily just the posh, either. When I was in Southwold, I spoke to a pretty ordinary couple in their 60s who were checking into the CL - where there were no facilities for EHU - who were driving quite an old and, erm, 'well-used' Talbot camper. It didn't have a fridge, and they just had their perishables in a plastic bag at the back, where it was cooler. They were paying the £15 a night because they wanted to be, as she told me, 'legal and safe.' When I said about wildcamping, she said 'You're not allowed to do that anymore.'

I thought there were better things to do with £15, personally...

 

[Deleted member 8180]

So if I stop paying tax, all I need is for 12 999 999 other people to stop as well, then the Government will stop asking for it? Sounds like a plan to me...

 

[MartianTom]

So if I stop paying tax, all I need is for 12 999 999 other people to stop as well, then the Government will stop asking for it? Sounds like a plan to me...

Just don't expect a hip replacement on the NHS, though

 

[MartianTom]

'Ave we got some posh people on this site? can we see some at the next meet>:lol-049::lol-061::cheers:
Ah now I see. the posh one are the ones who stick their pinky out when they lift their beer mugs.

The posh ones are the ones who get out of the shower to use the toilet :lol-053:


Fair enough if it's a Number Two, I suppose....

 

[novice1968]

posh people do not own motorhomes they have holiday homes all over the place
posh MHer only thinks they are posh.

 

[Pollik]

There is no such thing as posh people, only people who think they are posh.



Polly

 

[John H]

Transport Secretary Phil Hammond commented "We operate in a democracy of policing by consent. If 50% of the population are routinely breaking the law, it's the law that needs looking at."

So, if 50% of the population break into the other 50%'s homes, steal everything they've got and then murder them for good measure we need to make that legal do we? I know that most of the Cabinet couldn't be trusted to run a whelk stall but this guy really takes the biscuit!

 

[ourglenard]

Henry DREAMS of 70 mph!!!!

 

[MartianTom]

So, if 50% of the population break into the other 50%'s homes, steal everything they've got and then murder them for good measure we need to make that legal do we? I know that most of the Cabinet couldn't be trusted to run a whelk stall but this guy really takes the biscuit!

When he refers to 'the law', I'm sure he means the speed limit law specifically, not 'the law' generally. And there's a bit of difference between a relatively trivial civil offence and a major crime. I'm not averse to breaking a law that I feel is wrong, providing no one is hurt by it (and yes, I suppose we can debate 'hurt' all night). In my hunt sabbing days, I trespassed all the time on private land, but did no damage - unless you count winding up a landowner! I refused to pay the Poll Tax, too - along with millions of others, which sowed the seeds of Thatcher's political demise. I'm a good boy now, though, and pay my council tax! If I'd been born in China, I wouldn't be writing these words now... so I'm thankful for the freedom to resist and revolt, even if my vote counts for little where I live.

It is a bit of a feeble statement from a cabinet minister, though. I wonder if Dave had a word in his shell-like afterwards...

 

[Deleted member 8180]

Just don't expect a hip replacement on the NHS, though

Or pay tax, join waiting list to get on the waiting list, hope you're still alive when your turn comes up... oops - got the 'cynical lock' stuck on again...

 

[shortcircuit]

What a sad little forum this is becoming. Of the 15 responses to the OP only two relate when the others only want to ridicule people like ourselves who do there own thing whether they wish to pay for it or not. Feel ashamed of yourselves.

I have no difficulty in accepting a higher speed limit as vehicle and roads are now able to accept these limits.

 

[Deleted member 967]

The 70 limit was not set for safety at all. It was a fuel saving measure during the Suez crisis. Before that no one was limited on UK main roads or motorways and 100mph was not unknown even for a Ford Consul. I have done it myself.

I agree with the comment on lane discipline. I now have fitted a front facing camera, as I am sure that one day a driver will cut across my bows from the outside lane to exit the motorway and there will be one hell of a smash, if my 6.5 tones hits him. Driving in France and Spain is much more sedate to UK race tracks, err roads. There are not enough traffic police now to enforce the highway laws as it is. Highway Agency officers now police the roads, without the power to do so. How many times do you see vehicles on the road now with faulty lights? There are cameras everywhere, not just speed ones, but no one seems to take any action about the obvious bad driving they must be showing up.

 

[John H]

When he refers to 'the law', I'm sure he means the speed limit law specifically, not 'the law' generally. And there's a bit of difference between a relatively trivial civil offence and a major crime. I'm not averse to breaking a law that I feel is wrong, providing no one is hurt by it (and yes, I suppose we can debate 'hurt' all night). In my hunt sabbing days, I trespassed all the time on private land, but did no damage - unless you count winding up a landowner! I refused to pay the Poll Tax, too - along with millions of others, which sowed the seeds of Thatcher's political demise. I'm a good boy now, though, and pay my council tax! If I'd been born in China, I wouldn't be writing these words now... so I'm thankful for the freedom to resist and revolt, even if my vote counts for little where I live.

It is a bit of a feeble statement from a cabinet minister, though. I wonder if Dave had a word in his shell-like afterwards...

As a Poll Tax refusnik myself I understand and agree with most of what you are saying but Poll Tax refusers and Hunt Saboteurs never killed anybody and never harmed the environment (well, not as a matter of course anyway!). I used the, admitedly extreme, example I used because a car is a lethal weapon and all studies show that if the limit were raised to 80mph the death rate would increase (sorry, but I cannot remember the precise figures). In addition, as has been said above, the reason the 70mph limit was introduced was because of emmissions rather than safety and I thought this coalition government was going to be the greenest in history (lol). What with this, the "cats" fiasco, Liam Fox's "friend", Chris Huhne's speeding fine (could this be his revenge?) and all the rest it seems that this lot are falling apart quicker than any government in history - I suppose that at least is a positive, although it would be nice to have a government minister who actually thought before he opened his mouth.

 

[Pollik]

got the 'cynical lock' stuck on again

This is not a fault, it is the default setting.

What a sad little forum this is becoming

Well, I agree that it is a pity we have wandered so far off topic, but 'sad'? No, I don't think so. Angry, perhaps, but not sad. I think, or I hope, that in this age of the internet and digicams, the public servants who would rule us are being exposed for what they are. It isn't possible to encompass what is bad in this world in a single soundbyte, but I see evidence of the rising anger in lots of places. It is refreshing to see someone for whom the country is working.

There are cameras everywhere, not just speed ones,

I read a couple of days ago that there is now one that can check your tyre treads...everything the police do, these days, seems to be a targetted exercise, rather than general policing. Another recent report tell of an exercise using an unmarked truck to catch people who are, for example, using mobile phones or other things while driving. They caught a few. They don't say how many dangerously driving tailgaters they caught....it is inconceivable that they did not see any.



Polly

 

[Pollik]

The 70 limit was not set for safety at all. It was a fuel saving measure during the Suez crisis

Ironic when one considers that badly phased lights in towns and cities have been attributed to making us use more fuel, to put money in Treasury coffers...this might be in the land of conspiracy, however. I can't track this one down, now.




Polly

 

[MartianTom]

Agreed. I overheard some smug git in a parts shop the other day saying how he'd just hit 135 mph on the M2 coming down from London. I couldn't help wondering if he knew the thinking distances and braking distances for that speed - or even if they're in the Highway Code. I hoped he had the skill to know what to do at that speed if he had a tyre blow-out, for instance, or if his windscreen shattered. I didn't stop to ask, though, because all I really wanted to do was punch him.

Sorry... and that's even further off topic :wave:, so...

I for one am going to keep parking where I like, providing it's in an otherwise reasonable parking spot on a public road and it's not causing any disturbance (aside, that is, from making some fusspot's blood boil).