Emptying toilet cassette onto grass verge

[drewdt3]

Whilst carrying out a driving assessment today in Hull we came across a Motorhome parked at the side of the road. The owner was emptying the toilet cassette onto the grass verge, as I was in the throws of an assessment in a truck I didn't get the driver to pull over but would have done had I been on my own, and had a word. This is totally unacceptable as far as I'm concerned but expect/hope it wasn't one of our members, if it was I hope they are reading this and feeling embarrassed.

Not sure what make the coach built was but remember it had red in the decals. No wonder some people don't like us!

 

[Smaug]

Whilst carrying out a driving assessment today in Hull we came across a Motorhome parked at the side of the road. The owner was emptying the toilet cassette onto the grass verge, as I was in the throws of an assessment in a truck I didn't get the driver to pull over but would have done had I been on my own, and had a word. This is totally unacceptable as far as I'm concerned but expect/hope it wasn't one of our members, if it was I hope they are reading this and feeling embarrassed.

Not sure what make the coach built was but remember it had red in the decals. No wonder some people don't like us!

It's clear these people have no idea what they are doing, or what they should be doing! How old was the van? Was it a fairly new one, possibly on hire?

 

[drewdt3]

I must admit that I didn't get a good look at the van as I couldn't take my eyes off what he was doing. I think from my brief glance that it was quite new, so a hire vehicle with novice on-board might stack up. Even so, common sense......

 

[Seahorse]

It's clear these people have no idea what they are doing, or what they should be doing! How old was the van? Was it a fairly new one, possibly on hire?

I wonder why you think it clear! In my experience, people that dont pick up dog crap, know what they are doing! People that fly tip, know what they are doing! People that drop litter, know what they are doing! The list could go on.

Could it not be a case of someone, that really doesnt give a stuff about anyone or anything, they had a full casette, and emptied it!!

 

[gaz2676]

the head of the nail has been hit

 

[Ogni]

Plain ignorance and no respecet for others ...
There will not travel far before there get into troubble with that attitute.

Fridges and watertanks get bigger and cassete toilets are still the same , maybe there just couldnt hold it anymore.

 

[kimbowbill]

Tar and brush springs to mind, bit like gypsies, everyone gets a bad name.

i encountered the same a while back, in Grenoside community centre, i did approach her and asked her why she was doing that, she said there were no facilities in the centre and what was she supposed to do. Some people really don't know what to do, maybe a list of do's n don'ts should be given when they buy a vehicle, not that it will solve the problem, but for some it might. i think Smag's guidlines was a great idea, pity some on here slated him for it.

 

[Deleted member 967]

I have been contacting all of the MSAs with the aim of carrying on the work that Graham Hadfield was doing with "Motorhome Friendly and Unfriendly Parking" which Graham announced would be closing in August.

There is only 1 Motorway Service Area that has a dump point that is at Cobham on the M25 cost £5 (no water available)
Tebay Services on the M6 (Northbound only) has a drinking water tap available but you need to use the campsite to dump.

Stratford on Avon Coach Park had a dump point, but that has now been removed.

Northern Ireland now has 5 Aires with Bournes as found in France.

A new Group has Started THE MOTOR CARAVAN TOURISM ORGANISATION and I will be posting the parking info on there.

This group is in the process of getting a website up and running Motor Caravan Tourism Organisation (should be up and running fully in a few days although it is online now) and hopes to emulate the success that the group in Northern Ireland has.

Petitions to government will get us nothing. Only a systematic approach to Councils and other providers with some education on what the differences and need of touring Motor Caravan users are, to those who use trailer caravans. This was the approach the French made in the 1990.

An approach to the Hire firms sound to be in order also, as well as dealers.

 

[Smaug]

"What am I supposed to do?" that says it all really, they just don't know how to deal with the issue & don't understand the consequences. Sure there wil be diehard "Don't give a stuff" people, just like the aggressive & negative ones on here, but in exactly the same way, they are in the minority.

We have an obligation to help educate the ignorant, even if there were only a handful that change, it is a change for the better. I simply cannot stand the attitude that "I know better, so everyone else should," it clearly isn't true & cannot change things.

Soon after getting the van, I bought a spare cassette to accommodate Mrs Smaug's needs as she is no longer as capable of holding her breath so long as she used to (after 2 kids & half a century). Best thing we ever did, I just swop the cassettes over & we are immediately back in business, so to speak, and have a few days to find a safe poo disposal place. But newbies are always going to get caught out, even if they overnight on sites with facilities, the cassette will fill up between sites & people expect to just be able to keep using it. Bursting for the loo & none nearby, they are "forced" into stupid disposal tactics by their own lack of foresight.

All they need is the simple advice to keep an eye on the levels & empty it before they get stuck somewhere inappropriate with a full bladder & a full cassette. Why is that so offensive to the handful of loudmouth protesters on here? If we can reduce the number of theses incidents we all benefit.

Incidentally, has any one ever seen such a dumping incident off season? If I am right about it mostly being ignorant newbie hirers then it will be rare for them to be touring out of season. If we could get a registration number & maybe confront a hire company with a photo, I'll bet they would make an effort to instruct their hirers in future!

 

[landyrubbertramp]

Talking of waste this mornin I woke up and looked out the window while haveibg my morning coffee to a guy and his dog he walked out of his 400 k plus house walked his dog 20 yards his dog did its business the owner cleared it up with those bag things I though great responsible owner then has he was approaching his house bent down and put the bag of waste down a road grid ????? And walked bk in his 400 k plus house ... Education I think not more enforcement . But how can anyone police that type of activity

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Talking of waste this mornin I woke up and looked out the window while haveibg my morning coffee to a guy and his dog he walked out of his 400 k plus house walked his dog 20 yards his dog did its business the owner cleared it up with those bag things I though great responsible owner then has he was approaching his house bent down and put the bag of waste down a road grid ????? And walked bk in his 400 k plus house ... Education I think not more enforcement . But how can anyone police that type of activity

You photograph him doing it and give the photos to the local council dog wardens.

Send a copy to your MP and the head of the council at the same time.

Don't know if it would work, but got to be worth a punt.

 

[Smaug]

Talking of waste this mornin I woke up and looked out the window while haveibg my morning coffee to a guy and his dog he walked out of his 400 k plus house walked his dog 20 yards his dog did its business the owner cleared it up with those bag things I though great responsible owner then has he was approaching his house bent down and put the bag of waste down a road grid ????? And walked bk in his 400 k plus house ... Education I think not more enforcement . But how can anyone police that type of activity

Yup, the twerp probably doesn't know the difference between a storm drain & a sewer, but then thousands won't. He also hasn't thought thro the consequences of the poo being wrapped in a plastic bag either.

Why not ask him why he did it when you next see him? Quote the date & time so that even if he denies it, he will KNOW he has been seen. I'll bet he will be mortified & probably won't do it again - which is at least a win for everyone.

 

[sasquatch]

In the fullness of time idiots who dump waste black and grey and fly tip from motorhomes will cause all authorities to close off areas and ban all camping other than on sites, This could have an affect on motorhome sales and all associated with it. Manufacturers and dealers should take a share of the responsibility to educate prospective owners and buyers.
If the current MSAs had facilities like our European cousins it would help,but they are paranoid about being 'invaded' by travellers.
Any code of practice would help,but those who bother to read it are not the ones who need it. Just look at all the campaigns about dog poo,doesn't seem to help.
Certainly bigger tanks would help,my current vans cassette tank is smaller than my old vehicles, similar model just 16 years age difference.!

 

[Smaug]

TBH I'm not convinced that a bigger tank would help at all. It would still need monitoring so you know when it is likely to be full. The average thoughtless plonker will still get caught out, the only difference is that they will dump an even bigger load of slurry in slightly fewer places. Bigger cassettes are heavier & older people (many of the motorhome community are elderly) will find them harder to carry to disposal points.

 

[tony]

Whilst carrying out a driving assessment today in Hull we came across a Motorhome parked at the side of the road. The owner was emptying the toilet cassette onto the grass verge, as I was in the throws of an assessment in a truck I didn't get the driver to pull over but would have done had I been on my own, and had a word. This is totally unacceptable as far as I'm concerned but expect/hope it wasn't one of our members, if it was I hope they are reading this and feeling embarrassed.

Not sure what make the coach built was but remember it had red in the decals. No wonder some people don't like us!

ye can debate this till the cows come home.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS BEHAVOUR.

if in a strange area ask someone where the public toilets are & go empty it there.

tony

 

[landyrubbertramp]

I car t smaug as I was out n about in my Landriver in Chester it was not my home address as should have said on my post . It's no use takin pics I've tried that in other situations remember my neighbour down the road and his neighbour remember that pic I showers on here if that dog doing its business well even with the pics and the video footage and it being his next door neighbour the council r taking no action other than a leaflet about how to clean up after your dog it's all pathetic .

 

[Smaug]

Fairy nuff, in a neighbour situation I would be inclined to use one of my own dog bags, or a page of newspaper to pick it up & take it back to them "You seem to have left this in my garden, where would you like me to put it?"

 

[Burtie]

The world of motorhoming is going to the dogs with things like this happening these people need to think about what they are doing its no harm to keep your rubbish or waste in your motorhome until you reach a destination that you can dispose of it safely but with things like this going on we will all be doomed

 

[torwood]

...This could have an affect on motorhome sales and all associated with it. Manufacturers and dealers should take a share of the responsibility to educate prospective owners and buyers.

Sasquatch you have a valid point here, perhaps a good starting point would be if dealers and manufacturers could be persuaded to set up working disposal points for all motorhomers to use, this would not only promote a level of responsibility but gives a chance to educate new customers and would be hirers along with a strong likelihood of catching the eye of a future customer.

 

[landyrubbertramp]

The reason why the dealers r not interested in setting up dump sites is like the state they have a vested interest in ppl using sites it's a cosy little click between them .