Electricalist advice!

when helping my b-i-law build his 57' barge we had help off a electrician. i told him i was building a camper van, explained what i was going to run i.e, combined dvd/tv/games console,lights,pumps and 12v sockets to plug vac. cleaner/compressor into, he told me to wire everything in 3mm cable but to work out wattage per circuit and fuse accordingly, this i did and everything works ok hope this is simple enough;)10amp for skt and stereo and 5amp for light
 
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my loads are one bog standard car stereo, one six inch long 12v flourescent light and one 12v socket.

how is it so complicated?!

can anybody tell me what size cable and fuse to use on this, which must be the simplest circuit ever in a campervan?!

Firstly let me apologise on behalf of myself and no doubt other regular supporters of this forum for the way that your thread has been hijacked by some newer contributors in order to promote their own agenders and pass irrelevent and inaccurate comments. I can also assure you that there are many helpfull people on here who do try to give practical and useful advise.

Back to your question, no its not complicated, but to be safe you will need a small understanding of cable sizing and loads.

Firstly allways use proper automotive type cable, this should always labled with a number like this " 14/0.3 " where the first number (14) is the number of strands of wire and the second (0.3) is the diameter of each strand in mm. All of the cable you need to be concerned with will have 0.3mm strands, so the greater the first number the higher the current carrying capacity.

The common cables and their approximate rating in Amps are :-
9/0.3 - 5A
14/0.3 - 8A
28/0.3 - 17A
44/0.3 - 27A
65/0.3 - 35A
These ratings are for continuous use.

For your installation my suggestions for minimum sizes would be:-

Flourescent light - this is probably 8W so uses less than 1A although start up current is higher. 9/0.3 5A cable fuzed at 3A will do. (if a fixed/hidden cable consider using 8A as this would allow extra lights in the future).

Car stereo - Some cd units require up to 15A (unit should have a fuse rate marked on the back) so use min. 28/0.3 17A cable fused at 15A or as appropriate.

12V socket - Not sure what type of socket intended use but if 2 pin wire and fuse for 15A (as above) or if cig lighter socket use 65/0.3 and fuse at 30A.

If fuse box is next to the battery wire directly to each fuse, is mounted away use heavy duty (50A) fuse next to the battery and run (if using 30A socket) 84/0.3 (50A) cable.

From your original post, you can run yor returns (negative's) back to the battery, use same size cable as feeds (positive's).

For primary charging of leisure battery forget solar unless you have money to burn. In the UK your daily average charge from each 100W of solar panel is 2A/H.

Fit a split charge relay, use a smart one, they are so simple to wire up, but always use at least 35A cable (preferably bigger), keep cable run as short as possible and ensure all your connections are as good as they can be. When up and running I like to see less than 0.2V voltage drop from alternator to leisure battery.

I have tried to make this post as simple as I can but still give enough information for you to safely proceed, and I hope you can isolate it from the pile of irrelevance that this thread has created.
 
Firstly let me apologise on behalf of myself and no doubt other regular supporters of this forum for the way that your thread has been hijacked by some newer contributors in order to promote their own agenders and pass irrelevent and inaccurate comments.

Grumpy ? No-one hi-jacked the thread. The thread slid sideways after a comment about solar regulators let to talk about solar-panels, solar power being an interest rather than an agenda.

The thread originator didn't even understand what a regulator was.
 
cumon geoff talk about hijacking and own agenda, noody asked for simple information not scientific clap trapthat you need a phd in mathematics and electrics to work out....KISS keep it simple
 
Almost forgot that point I was soooo-angry. The thread originator had already been confused by the sort of information you presented. I was grasping for straws and working to try and simplify things.

Why not draw the bloke a circuit he can follow with parts and part-numbers instead of wasting your time cutting people off at the knees. For goodness-sake, he was going to use 240 V 1.5 T&E.
:mad:

This forum has proved to be very helpful and friendly, I didn't join it out of desperation I joined after reading and feeling the warmth, you're not by any-chance just post-pubescent, are-you ?

Grrrrrrrrrrrr.
 
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You there Jack ?

What Geoff has helped with is the cable sizes and I think he is recommending you run a separate cable for each circuit and fuse it accordingly.

My description was of a single heavy conductor fused down a little then sub-circuits (branches) which would be individually fused according to the load.

In-hindsite, individual runs would be the better option.

Richard
 
Morning folks! How did this get so grumpy?!

A million thanks for all your inputs... i can see now that a solar panel won't be ideal so am going to get one of those split charger thingys, and use all the cable and fuse sizes described in geoffs post, which is clear and precise... now i can just write down everything i need and buy them without looking like a ninny in the electricalist shop!

I'll keep you all posted on my progress... and if you read in the press about a nissan vanette burning its owner alive in a layby... that was me!

thanks again folks..

Chris
 
Just one more point.... i don't feel that this post has been hijacked... we all have different ways of doing things and different opinions, if we all put our opinions on a forum, the original poster, or others can glean the information which is more relevent and suitable to themselves...?

anyway, my thanks to everybody equally

Chris
 
A huge success for me Chris, getting you away from 1.5 T&E. Pheweeeeee. :)

Richard.
 
Morning folks! How did this get so grumpy?!

A million thanks for all your inputs... i can see now that a solar panel won't be ideal so am going to get one of those split charger thingys, and use all the cable and fuse sizes described in geoffs post, which is clear and precise... now i can just write down everything i need and buy them without looking like a ninny in the electricalist shop!

I'll keep you all posted on my progress... and if you read in the press about a nissan vanette burning its owner alive in a layby... that was me!

thanks again folks..

Chris

lol don't forget to buy a fire extinguisher or two!!!!!!:D
 
As if i was going to use 1.5 T&E!!!!! What loony would use that hahahaaaa! (did i get away with that?!)

And re the fire extinguisher.... I'll be getting one! just in case!
 

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