Eastern Europe

Twosheds

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We are planning to travel to Greece in March 2006 and would love to hear from anyone who has travelled in their Motorhome via the Eastern European countries route like Romania etc we had also thought of going through Italy and on a Ferry to Greece (as most travellers, I assume would)

We have obtained a green card for countries in some parts of Eastern Europe but not all. We only Wild camp so any information would be appreciated.


Thanks !!!
 
Hi twosheds

We have been to Greece many times but always use the ferry from Venice to Patras as we feel there are still some dodgy areas on the drive down! We have been in Slovenia and Croatia and know that wild camping is illegal there and you WILL get moved on. Hungary we have got away with on a few occasions although I still think it is illegal.

The ferry ride is easy to do and I reckon probably quicker than driving. You 'camp' on deck and if you manage to get on the port side on the way down will get some great views of the adriatic coast. Also a couple of days in Venice before you leave can be fun. There is some wild camping at Punta Sabbioni from where you can catch a water bus to the city.

Greece has to be the wild camping heaven of Europe. It seems to be positively enocouraged!! In fact, in august half the Greek population seem to be wild camping on beaches - so don't go then..... We have plenty of suggestions if you want more information.

Have fun!
 
Hi clarkpeacock,

Thanks for your valuable information and that we heading into wild camping heaven in Greece.

Regards

Twosheds
 
David & Ann

Howdy Folks,
We want to hit the beaches of Greece in 2007. Does anyone know if I can get over the water from VENICE to PATRAS. and also how much it would cost appox: My German MH is 6.5long x 3.0m high.
I'm British and know all of Germany (E and W) like the back of my hand, if I can help in anyway give us a shout, even if it is a language or transalation problem. One other thing, try crossing the Alps from Switzerland to Italy, bypassing St Bernards pass, taking the winding road up. Believe me, it is awsome. Make sure your brakes are real good. Until the next time. So long.
 
David & Ann said:
One other thing, try crossing the Alps from Switzerland to Italy, bypassing St Bernards pass, taking the winding road up. Believe me, it is awsome. Make sure your brakes are real good. Until the next time. So long.

I assume you mean by-passing the St Bernard Tunnel and driving the pass?

Awesome drive! I've never done it in a motorhome/camper, but I did do it in a Citroen 2CV a long time ago. Not for the faint-hearted, but the fact I can remember it 24 years later says it all. I passed there in June this year, but I was towing a caravan, and even I am not daft enough to try that. We did the Mont Blanc Tunnel instead.

There are two passes - the Col du Grand St Bernard and the Col du Petit St Bernard. We did the "Grand" one - if the roads on the "Petit" are narrower (they look it on the map) then I wouldn't like to try in a wide-bodied motorhome!
 
David & Ann

Hi Clarkpeacock
Read your advice to Twosheds. Perhaps you can advice me further. From Venice to Patras (Greece) how do I get information for Ferry crossing timings and also price list for our MH. (6.5m long) I was in Venice in 2005. I noticed the ferry port with large Liners, is that the same port? Also there is a large parking area for MH's with electric hookup but quite expensive. Heading for Greece in 2007 in May. Do you know the warmest part of Spain during winter? Hope to go there in December 2006 to hibinate till Spring.
We live in Cornwall, a cove village called PORTHTOWAN near REDRUTH. (A30)Beautiful place if you love to do surfing or swim. If you like to walk, you can from Porthtowan to Chapelport over the beach or cliffs and futher on to St Agnes. Appreciate it if you can fill me in with the crossing from Venice and Patras
 
Grand Bernard Pass

[Go on Blackdog, I'm 64, If I can scrape the rocks on the Grand Bernard, smoking brakes down hill, I'm sure you can. Something else exciting, at the start of the climb it was 29 degrees, when we got to the top it was -2 degrees with ice and snow. When we came to the Swiss/Italian border you could see the differnce, At the top, you could see the clouds and fog on the Swiss side and beautiful sunshine on the Italian side. Have great pics of the day.
 
David & Ann said:
Hi Clarkpeacock
Read your advice to Twosheds. Perhaps you can advice me further. From Venice to Patras (Greece) how do I get information for Ferry crossing timings and also price list for our MH. (6.5m long) I was in Venice in 2005. I noticed the ferry port with large Liners, is that the same port? Also there is a large parking area for MH's with electric hookup but quite expensive. Heading for Greece in 2007 in May. Do you know the warmest part of Spain during winter? Hope to go there in December 2006 to hibinate till Spring.
We live in Cornwall, a cove village called PORTHTOWAN near REDRUTH. (A30)Beautiful place if you love to do surfing or swim. If you like to walk, you can from Porthtowan to Chapelport over the beach or cliffs and futher on to St Agnes. Appreciate it if you can fill me in with the crossing from Venice and Patras
Hi D & A,

We have been visiting Greece since 1969, get back to me if you need any more info.


FERRIES
Here is a selection of shipping lines that operate on the Italy-Greeks crossings. During certain times of the year it is possible to visit some of the Greek islands (i.e. Corfu, Cephalona and Zakynthos) on the crossing between Italy and Greece.

BLUE STAR FERRIES www.bluestarferries.com
Ancona-Igoumenitsa-Patras No Camper deck
Brindisi-Patras No Camper deck

SUPERFAST FERRIES www.superfast.com
Ancona- Patras No Camper deck Bari-Igoumenitsa-Patras No Camper deck

VENTOURIS FERRIES www.ventouris.gr
Brindisi/Bari-Igoumenitsa Camper deck

AGOUDIMOS LINES agoudimos-lines.com
Brindisi-Igoumenitsa No camper deck

MINOAN LINES www.minoan.gr
Ancona-Patras Camper deck option
Venice – Patras Camper deck option

MY WAY Ferries www.ferries.gr/myway
Brindisi -Igoumenitsa – Patras Camper deck option

ANEK Lines www.anek.gr
Venice/Ancona -Igoumenitsa – Patras Camper deck option


EXAMPLE OF A ONE WAY FARE LOW SEASON 2006

FARES COULD VARY BETWEEN FERRY COMPANYS.

SOMETIMES 30% DISCOUNT ON PASSENGER AND VEHICLE FARES WHEN

BOTH LEGS OF THE ROUND TRIP ARE PURCHASED AT THE SAME TIME.

OPEN DATE TICKETS AVAILABLE.

EMBARKATION FEES INCLUDED IN FARE.


BRINDISI to IGOUMENITISA (Blue Star Ferries)
Two berth outside cabin (per person) €98
Aircraft type seat €36
Deck per person €31
Motorhome
Up to 6metres €57
Over 6 metres €73


VENICE to PATRAS (Minoan Lines)
Two berth outside cabin (per person) €205
Aircraft type seat €80
Camper deck per person €60
Motorhome
Up to 5.5 metres €129
Over 5.5 metres €210


ANCONA TO IGOUMENITSA/PATRAS (Blue Star Ferries)
Two berth outside cabin (per person) €204
Deck per person €61
Motorhome
Up to 6 tres €140
Over 6 metres

Safe travelling

Don €221
 
Thanks Don Madge

Thanks Buddy,
Real nice of you taking time out in filling me in on the information re: Greece ferry crossings. Much appreciated. If ever you are down Cornwall way, try visiting our coves here, beautiful beaches at your disposal. Take care. David
 
Hello David & Ann,

You might find this info useful when planning your trip.

Are you thinking of visiting Greece? Why not make a round trip, out through the Balkans and back on the Greece - Italy ferry route using the camper deck option. Sailing into Venice on a spring morning is a wonderful sight. With careful planning it can be a very rewarding and memorable trip.

Travel through the Balkans has been made easier in the last few years what with Hungary's entry into the EU and Romania and Bulgaria following shortly.

A straightforward overland route to Greece through the Balkans is via, Luxembourg, Heidelberg, Regensburg, Vienna, Budapest, Szeged, Arad, Timisoara, Craiova, Sofia and entering into northern Greece from Bulgaria at the crossing at Promahonas which is about 145km north east Thessaloniki where the whole of Greece then awaits you. It's about 1710 miles from Calais to Thessaloniki using this route.

If you use this or a similar route please bear in mind you will need the following vignettes. This is a very rough guide only.

Austria,
For vehicles up to 3500kg a vignette can be bought for Euros 7.80 for ten consecutive days. For vehicles over 3500kg you will need to buy a "Go Box" that fits on the windscreen for a one off handling fee of Euros 5. Then for a two axle vehicle it will cost about 13 Euro cents +VAT per km. If you are close to the 3500kg mark it's advisable to carry a certificate issued by a weighbridge showing your weight. For full details see www.go-maut.at

Hungary.
You will need a vignette for the motorways. For vehicles up to 3500kg a four day vignette it will cost about £3 for vehicles over 3500kg it's about £4 for four days.

Bulgaria.
The Bulgarian motorway vignette costs between 5 - 69 Euros per vehicle and according to the validity period.

You will need a Green Card from your insurers to enter Romania and Bulgaria, third party (it's not cheap) insurance is available at most border crossings

Try and plan your route so you use the smaller out of the way border crossings. If you do have to use the main border crossing points try and avoid weekends especially in the high season.

On the return leg the two Greek ferry ports are Patras in the Peloponnese and Igoumenitsa in the north west. Patras is the larger port and is very congested most of the time. Patras has now got a by pass but the town is still difficult to navigate due to the one way system. You will be hard pushed to find somewhere to stay over night in the port area. It is also very difficult to find somewhere to park to purchase ferry tickets due to the complexity of the port lay out. Many of the ferries sailing to Italy call at Igoumenitsa.

Igoumenitsa is a much smaller port with plenty of overnight parking just outside the new international terminal building. The international terminal has a full range of facilities and ferry tickets can be purchased there. All the ferry companies have an office in the terminal which is usually open about three hours before a sailing departs.

Over the years we have used the four Italian ferry ports from Greece. Venice Ancona, Bari & Brindisi. Venice and Brindisi have the easiest access while Ancona is very congested at all times and Bari can be difficult at times.

Between 1st April and 31st October it is possible to have the use of your van on the camper deck on some of the Greece - Italy crossings. This year 2006 the option is limited to:-

Minoan Lines www.minoan.gr Patras - Igoumenitsa - Venice and Patras - Igoumenitsa - Ancona.

Ventouris Lines www.ventouris.gr Igoumenitsa -Bari

ANEK Lines www.anek.gr Patras - Igoumenitsa -Ancona and Patras - Igoumenitsa - Venice.

MY WAY Ferries http://www.ferries.gr/myway/default.htm Patras - Igoumenitsa - Brindisi

Agoudimos Lines www.agoudimos-lines.com Igoumenitsa - Corfu - Brindisi..

For a list of other sailings available see http://www.ferries.gr/ ferries can also be booked on this site. If you intend to use the camper deck option in the high season it would be worth booking in advance especially on the Patras - Venice sailing. The camper deck also gets very busy the weekends either side of Easter as many Germans/Dutch motorhomers head for the Peloponnese.

On Jan 11th this year we used the Agoudimos Lines day crossing from Brindisi to Igoumenitsa. We had full use of the van and were hooked up to the mains for the crossing. Friends claim My Way ferries will also let you have use of the camper during their crossing to Igoumenitsa and Patras. If you prefer a short sea crossing the Igoumenitsa - Brindisi crossing is the best. We paid Euro 136 for a camper up to 7 metres and two persons on a single crossing.

There is a discount if you book the return crossing at the same time as the outbound one.

Be warned the Camper Deck option can have its drawbacks. It's the cheapest crossing from Greece to Italy but you could find yourself parked between or very close to some refrigerated trucks which also use this deck. We have been very lucky and have never had this problem yet but I know some who have.

Other friends have spent a crossing parked next to a truck full of sheep.

Greece is a marvelous country for touring with a motorhome, there is so much on offer from ancient ruins to the mountains and beaches. One of our favourite areas is the Peloponnese especially in the spring time.

Safe travelling

Don
 
Greece Trip

Hi Don,
Thanks once again for your detailed trip to Greece via the Balkans. Sounds interesting but as we want to do the bottom half of Italy, we will be going via Luxenbourg, Zurich to Venice. Spend some time there, then head out along the coast line all the way to Brindisi, of course stopping at every beach. Cross over like you said from Brindisi to Igoumenitsa. When we finish with Greece, we will head back to Brindisi and pick up the coast line on the other side of the boot, going via Napoli, Rome, Pisa and Milan. From there on over the Dolomites to Austria, Germany and head for Hamburg, where I have family. Then onto Hook of Holland to get the ferry back to Harwich. I have printed out a copy of your information for safe keeping. I will definitely need it at a future date. Thanks once again for your advice and help
David
 
Ferry site

Try this site for all ferry times etc throughout Europe....

Just enter ferry.to in your address box

Regard
Simon
 
Black dog said:
I assume you mean by-passing the St Bernard Tunnel and driving the pass?

Awesome drive! I've never done it in a motorhome/camper, but I did do it in a Citroen 2CV a long time ago. Not for the faint-hearted, but the fact I can remember it 24 years later says it all. I passed there in June this year, but I was towing a caravan, and even I am not daft enough to try that. We did the Mont Blanc Tunnel instead.

There are two passes - the Col du Grand St Bernard and the Col du Petit St Bernard. We did the "Grand" one - if the roads on the "Petit" are narrower (they look it on the map) then I wouldn't like to try in a wide-bodied motorhome!

Hi blackdog you mentioned mont blanc, we are going in that area in september also other areas

We were thinking of chamanix for 4 days for some walking ect is wild camping ok or would you use sites:)

I now you can go on a train to the mountains have you experience on that.

thanks Tim
 
cipro said:
Hi blackdog you mentioned mont blanc, we are going in that area in september also other areas

We were thinking of chamanix for 4 days for some walking ect is wild camping ok or would you use sites:)

I now you can go on a train to the mountains have you experience on that.

thanks Tim

Tim,

We have done a lot of walking in the Chamonix area even done the "Tour of Mont Blanc" in our younger days.

If you want to free camp I would suggest Argentiere.

Follow the N506 through Chamonix and just as you enter Argentiere turn right and follow the signs for the Montets Cable Car Station. There is a large area beside the river (very noisy at times) or the car park where you can free camp with no problems. It's an easy walk into the village using the bridge over the river. You have the bus or the train to take you to Chamonix and there are also many local walks, details from the tourist office.

If you need a few nights on a camp site I can recommend Camping Glacier at Argentiere. This is signed as you enter the village on the right, a narrow drive up from the main road to the site. The site owners are very friendly and helpful. The views from the site are magnificent.

We found the other camp sites in Chamonix very crowded.

If you are into alpine walking this is a fantastic area. If you want a spectacular walk drive into Switzerland to the Col de la Forclaz then you can walk up along side the Trient Glacier, this is part of the TMB (Tour of Mont Blanc).

If you go into Switzerland there is no need to buy the Swiss motorway Vignette (SF40) to go to the Col. at the border just tell them you are only going to the Col, you won't have any problems.

Enjoy your trip, get back to me if I can be of further help.

Don
 
fab

Hi Don thanks for the information I have copyed to lap top to take with me.

Its great when people like yourself have tried and tested areas of question:D
thanks again catch oyu soon.
 
superfast ferry to Greece

Hi, off to Greece at the end of this month, driven over a few times before, but this time I have managed to get 'camping on board' on the Superfast ferry from Ancona to Patras, anyone done this that can tell me what sort of electric hook up is on the ferry, and what adapters I will need for the journey and Greece, I will be going through, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria.
 
Greece or eastern europe ?

Is Greece in Eastern Europe ???? was expecting to read up on someones journey to Bulgaria/Romania/Serbia/Montenegro etc.but Greece ! I supposeif you follow the coast all along from Thessaloniki /Kavala etc then i suppose you will be nearly in Eastern europe sort of,and of course very close to the gateway into Persia :) ok then Turkey.
European two pin plug/adapter for electric,weather is 40 c here at the moment (Bulgaria) a stones throw away from Kavala or Istanbul.
 

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