Driving recorder camera????

seems canny enuff if a bit pricey will look about for price closer to what you paid......... thank you again most kind
 
Two simple questions please:

1) Our truck, as with all our previous vehicles, is a totally technology free zone with regard to sat navs, GPS speed warners etc. so I have never had anything attached to the windscreen. Are these traffic cameras easily detachable if parking up in an area where the local Herberts like to "collect" techy items of value ?? or is the camera + recording box thingy more or less stuck there once installed ??.

2) From the above links kindly provided there appears an enormous range of prices from c.£35 to £280+ , any views/comments on what you get for your dosh ??.

Thanks in anticipation.
 
by the look of them they are mostly detachable like any gps the link rob mac posted #84 the vid makes it canny good in the test bcant fault that even at night
 
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ivecotrucker said:
Two simple questions please:

1) Our truck, as with all our previous vehicles, is a totally technology free zone with regard to sat navs, GPS speed warners etc. so I have never had anything attached to the windscreen. Are these traffic cameras easily detachable if parking up in an area where the local Herberts like to "collect" techy items of value ?? or is the camera + recording box thingy more or less stuck there once installed ??.

2) From the above links kindly provided there appears an enormous range of prices from c.£35 to £280+ , any views/comments on what you get for your dosh ??.

Thanks in anticipation.
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Hi Michael, They are usually easily removeable, although I never do. Mine can be set to come on when motion is detected, so when parked on the drive if anybody came near the van they would get filmed. Never used this feature though as it would probably make them more determined to nick it if they saw the screen come on!
As for price, mine is at the lower end of the scale as is Gary's and we both seem to be very happy with our purchases. Are you at the Saxilby meet? If so I'll give you a demo.
 
fairytooth said:
Well, fortunately we all have the right to choose - to buy or not. And I don't think there's much of a case for not being filmed on a public road - unless you are a criminal of course :lol-053:

So, a couple of questions from me.

Would you need to keep your sunvisor down all the time to use the front camera shown in an earlier post? I don't think I would want that.

Does anyone have one that works as a proper rear view camera? I am thinking of getting a wireless one but there are so many to choose from.
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Hi Fairytooth, I would think about fitting a twin reversing camera, as I've just fitted one and the rear veiws are brilliant, here is the link to who I brought mine from. in-car-stuff.com - Car Alarms & Security, Car Audio, Car DVD & TV, Reversing Cameras, Free UK delivery

I previously had a wireless on which I fitted but had loads of trouble with the picture quality, seller replaced camera free of charge but still had problems.

John.

Ps the updates which you carried out for me on my tomtom are excellent,as we used it for our 3 day trip to Barmouth this week.
 
Hi Rob & Thanks, Both of you keeping well-ish ??. The sort of Herberts I'm thinking of would be well canny eneough to realise that they may have been caught on film (I'm thinking mostly Latino-ish, south of Rome but perhaps also here in UK). Saxilby ?,don't know it; sounds like it's up North or Lincs way ? I'll get the map out, still waiting for my Theatre appearance date, must be fairly soon now I reckon. Mines a pint that you owe me by the way !!! (remember they ran out of proper beer last time); Cheers M-H.
 
ivecotrucker said:
Hi Rob & Thanks, Both of you keeping well-ish ??. The sort of Herberts I'm thinking of would be well canny eneough to realise that they may have been caught on film (I'm thinking mostly Latino-ish, south of Rome but perhaps also here in UK). Saxilby ?,don't know it; sounds like it's up North or Lincs way ? I'll get the map out, still waiting for my Theatre appearance date, must be fairly soon now I reckon. Mines a pint that you owe me by the way !!! (remember they ran out of proper beer last time); Cheers M-H.
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Yeah both good thanks hope you get sorted soon.
 
Hello again Rob; too much froth on your animated beer pint icon thing - looks like lager to me !!
Just seen your Post No 84, the You-Tube one; obviously the camera & box thing just attach/detach from the screen on a suction pad. The U tube video looks good quality if it's the same as yours.
Going off line now, it's Friday night & we really are off down 't pub - I'll have 1 or 4 for you, how generous can I get ??.
Cheers, & to J.
 
help the aged

hi peeps,i have been finding ways to make driving my motor home easier to drive.and been looking at a dual camera,with mirror 7 inch screen.

cameras are fed off the screen as one feed then split for each camera.
the tow bar view will help when im on the tracks round the Fishing lakes and as security when i am inside feeding my face,the other cam era will be set to see down the road,as my rear window is about two foot square and the the camper is 22 feet long. the price is a bit steep at £160 but i am 69 in may and this mod should help when i renew my ticket at 70.i would like your views please
 
I have a Neostar Road Watch driving recorder bought it from mysmartbuy.com at a cost of £49:99 plus cost of a 16 Gb memory card, as far as I'm concerned this was worth every penny as just prior to Christmas I was visiting relations delivering their Christmas presents, I had parked outside their home for a couple of hours and when I returned to the van I immediately noticed the front end had been badly damaged, fortunately for me the camera had recorded everything, a home delivery van with a tail lift on the back had reversed into the front of my van, the driver realised what had happened and got out to inspect the damage, had a quick look up and down the street then got back in and drove off, I reported this to the local police who sent a policeman out to inspect the damage and take a statement etc: when I showed him the recording of the incident all the evidence was clearly visible, make of vehicle, reg number, time & date and a perfect picture of the driver as he inspected the damage he'd caused, police asked if they could have a copy of the recording as they where going to prosecute the driver for failing to stop, failing to report the accident and driving without due care and attention, I also sent a copy of the recording to my insurance company which saved me having to loose my NCD and policy excess.

Regards
Phil
 
Road Traffic Act 1988 - In Car Cameras

Car Windscreen area

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Red zone = a 29cm wide band centered on the steering column
and bounded top and bottom by the wiper swept area

Be warned, if you use a suction mounted car camera in the UK, if the device (camera and / or cradle and / or suction cup) intrudes more than 4cm into the secondary (pink) wiper clearance zone, or intrudes more than 1cm into the primary (red) wiper clearance zone of the windscreen, you are committing a serious traffic offense (dangerous driving) under the UK Road Traffic Act 1988, and your vehicle is not roadworthy (it would fail an MOT).

Also / in addition, if you use a car camera with an LCD screen, if the screen is on for any of the time while you are driving and you, the driver, can view that screen, you are also committing a serious traffic offense.

If someone has sold you a windscreen suction mounted car camera, they have a legal duty to ensure
a) that the camera can actually be attached to a section of the windscreen of your particular vehicle which does not result in an unlawful intrusion of the primary (red) and / or secondary (pink) wiper clearance zone,
b) that the screen does not remain on or visible to the driver and
c) that you are aware of the law. If they sold you a suction mounted car camera without doing this, they have committed a crime. To find out how to return / report an unlawful suction mounted car camera, please see further below.
UK Law - Dangerous Driving
"In England and Wales and Scotland, a person guilty of dangerous driving is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for any term not exceeding two years, or to a fine, or to both, or on summary conviction, to imprisonment for any term not exceeding six months, or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both.""A person is to be regarded as driving dangerously for the purposes of sections 1 and 2 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 if

the way he/she drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver, and it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous; or

if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state (for the purpose of the determination of which regard may be had to anything attached to or carried on or in it, and to the manner in which it is attached or carried) would be dangerous."

Source: Wikipedia Dangerous Driving

Determination / qualification / confirmation of "dangerous" falls upon / comes from the Ministry of Transport.
Obscurations in Front Windscreens

Sellers of suction mounted car cameras should note the text; "Further to this, The Road Traffic Act 1988 (as amended by Section 8 of the Road Traffic Act 1991) Part II, 40A, Using Vehicle in Dangerous Condition, states that: A person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on the road when: (a) the condition of the motor vehicle or trailer, or of its accessories or equipment,... is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person."

Further legislation comes under The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986;
30.—(3) All glass or other transparent material fitted to a motor vehicle shall be maintained in such condition that it does not obscure the vision of the driver while the vehicle is being driven on a road.

The Freight Transport Association of Great Britain clearly and simply state UK traffic law here.

In addition, car camera LCD screens can not legally be viewed by the driver!
Most of these unlawful suction cup mounted car cams are further made unlawful, even illegal, by token of the fact most, if not all provide an LCD TV screen which remains on, or which the default is on.

Please see Article 109 of The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986

Windscreen Suction Cup Mounted Car Camera Sellers
UK sellers of these devices must disclose which vehicles their units can be lawfully used in. Legal use means the suction cup, cradle and camera must NOT intrude more than the 1cm/4cm limit into the wiper clearance zone of a vehicle, and any active LCD screen must NOT be visible to the driver. As the wiper clearance zone varies from vehicle to vehicle, the seller must physically test their car cameras to make sure it is possible, or to obtain specification on the wiper clearance zone from the vehicle manufacturer to be able to determine this. If they can not / do not disclose whether their units can be legally used in your particular vehicle's make and model, they are breaking the law by causing you to commit a motoring offense of dangerous driving. In addition, the seller of the car camera MUST explicitly make you aware of the fact the camera (suction cup, cradle and camera) must NOT intrude more than the 1cm/4cm limit into the wiper clearance zone of your vehicle, or again they are causing you to commit a traffic offense.

What to do if you have been sold a windscreen suction mounted car camera.
If you are not prepared to / can not use it legally outside the wiper clearance zone of your vehicle, perhaps because by doing so the video it takes is impaired by being in such a location / the dirty section of your windscreen, and if the seller has not sold the unit lawfully as above, then you can and perhaps should return the unit for a full refund. If you paid by PayPal or credit card, you can try to get the payment revoked on the basis the sale was fraudulently made under the Sale of Goods Act (that it was not suitable for the purpose for which it was sold). If you are outside the charge back time limit and the seller argues / refuses to refund, you can threaten them with a Trading Standards complaint, or you may want to make a Trading Standards complaint against them in any case. If you bought the item via eBay UK, the Trading Standards office that handles eBay UK complaints is Richmond upon Thames; click here.

Remember, you can be fined, get points on your license, lose your license and / or even go to jail for dangerous driving, which includes driving with an obscuration (obstruction) of the windscreen area. If you are involved in an accident, the very thing you hoped would give you legal evidence can easily be turned against you. If you take your vehicle to a MOT centre with an unlawful suction mounted car camera in place, your vehicle will fail its MOT.

If you want to use a car camera, make sure it is NOT windscreen suction mounted UNLESS it is guaranteed to be able to operate lawfully outside your particular vehicle's wiper clearance zone. Or, you can buy a dash mounted camera (again, make sure it does not obscure more than 1cm/4cm of the wiper cleared windscreen visibility area) or a visor mounted car camera.

Article taken from suction-mounted-car-cameras.blogspot.co.uk
 
Flip Flap said:
Wasting your time I fear. I believe rear view screens may be exempt but none I've used were screen mounted anyway.
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Yes, I was amused about the LCD screen comment, my rear view camera is the only way I can see cars that get too close for the door mirrors, I doubt that would be illegal, despite the use of an LCD screen to replace the pointless mirror (my rear window is frosted & hidden behind the bog door).

I find drive cameras an interesting idea, but not a high enough priority to bother with yet, I find defensive driving works well enough in the rural locations where I general drive the van.
 
tonyclover said:
hi peeps,i have been finding ways to make driving my motor home easier to drive.and been looking at a dual camera,with mirror 7 inch screen.

cameras are fed off the screen as one feed then split for each camera.
the tow bar view will help when im on the tracks round the Fishing lakes and as security when i am inside feeding my face,the other cam era will be set to see down the road,as my rear window is about two foot square and the the camper is 22 feet long. the price is a bit steep at £160 but i am 69 in may and this mod should help when i renew my ticket at 70.i would like your views please
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Hi tonyclover, I fitted the same about 4 weeks ago and as you say I have a rear view now even though I don't have a rear window.

John.
 
I forgot to say, I got a 40 quid discount off my insurance premium, which paid for 70% of the cost of the parts (self fitted). Next renewal will put me in profit! :cool1:
 
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