Camper van or motorhome

Hessi

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We have at the minute a VW T2 Danbury and we are in a quandry, do we stick with camper van or upgrade to M.H.
We take our grandaughter with us most times and our daughters like to come to.
Any idea's on what we should do

best regards

Hessi:mad1:
 
I had a 72 bay window for 5 years and had fantastic times. However, we did the VW thing to death, too many shows etc. Vanfest is a nightmare these days compared to how it used to be!!

We sold ours about two years ago and had a year off. Worst year ever. We missed the bloody thing like nobodies business.

Hence we got a new van/motorhome. I'm not sure what to call it really, its a LWB Fiat ducato van conversion but it has all the motorhome amenities (shower,toilet,cooking stuff) but is narrower and not as tall as a full blown motorhome (and much cheaper).
 
nothing wrong with vanfest. have shown many a vw at shows . had a three page spread with my t25 pickup gti conversion.
you could get a teardrop caravan.
i have a 30 yr old devon piskette here . used to tow behind trikes etc seen a few vanfests . and actions.
or if it hasnt got an elevator get a full length roof rack and a roof tent. yes i have one of those as well. as seen in vwmotoring. if the vw is in good nick best keep it. cant buy good ones now . but mazda bongo,s have a good folowing. . .
course you coukld get a vwlt pulling a mini artic . that always go down well at a vw show. have fun i do. cheers alan.
 
nothing wrong with vanfest. have shown many a vw at shows . had a three page spread with my t25 pickup gti conversion.
you could get a teardrop caravan.
i have a 30 yr old devon piskette here . used to tow behind trikes etc seen a few vanfests . and actions.
or if it hasnt got an elevator get a full length roof rack and a roof tent. yes i have one of those as well. as seen in vwmotoring. if the vw is in good nick best keep it. cant buy good ones now . but mazda bongo,s have a good folowing. . .
course you coukld get a vwlt pulling a mini artic . that always go down well at a vw show. have fun i do. cheers alan.

Up until the year we sold the van we went everyyear to vanfest (in malvern) the very last one we went to was crazy. way too many vans/people in small place and prices of things were crazy. Still previous years were excellent and always a fantastic atmosphere :)
 
first vw shows i went to were inthe 60,s . my uncle worked for a vw garage . i later ran volkssupply and knocked around with carl from volks bits . we did all the shows a few years ago. bet we have met, must have done if you went to malvern shows. shut my garage in 98 to venture off around africa. still do a few shows but try and save to go away in winter . too cold here . still have vw bits and loads of trike stuff around .got two vans parked up resting. may build something if i get time . have fun thats the main thing .

heesi get a teardrop or an eriba puck caravan . then you can keep doing what ever . there as been a few interesting classic caravans on ebay just lately . bid on a couple this week . cant help it . always have a yard full of stuff. you can get lonely if you sell things . he hee . cheers alan.
 
We have at the minute a VW T2 Danbury and we are in a quandry, do we stick with camper van or upgrade to M.H.
We take our grandaughter with us most times and our daughters like to come to.
Any idea's on what we should do

best regards

Hessi:mad1:

Hi Hessi,

We had to go in the oposite direction, it might help you make up your mind.

Eight years ago due to ill health (unable to pass the dreaded 70+ medical) we had to downsize from our A class Laika Ecovip 400i (4,200 kg MAM). We had had the Laika for 2 years and had fitted it out for winter touring.

Extras we had fitted were a pair of 60-litre LPG tanks for domestic use, a 60-watt solar panel and a Sporty Trailers aluminium back box. As standard, the Laika had a 135 litre fridge/freezer, 115 litre fresh water tank, 140 litre waste water tank and a marine toilet of 52 litre capacity. We had just got the van sorted to our satisfaction when we had to part with it.

We usually wintered away for 4 or 5 months (Jan - May), then had an Autumn trip (late Aug - mid Nov), making 7 or 8 months' continental touring in a year. We had spent Jan - April 2002 in Turkey and returned home via Rhodes, Patras and Venice. The Laika was easy to drive, very spacious to live in and the only drawbacks we found during this extensive trip were difficulties in parking and the impossibility of taking it down extremely narrow difficult roads to visit isolated ancient sites.

The search then started for a replacement motorhome, with two single beds and a reasonable payload. It was a lot harder than we thought it would be. It could not be above 3,500 kg MAM and we fancied a low profile coach-built but on most the payloads were inadequate for our needs. Some payloads were only 250 - 300 kg and we were still looking at fairly large motorhomes.

We then started to look at LWB high top vans and after much thought and deliberation we settled for the Timberland Freedom 11 on the LWB Fiat Ducato with a payload of approx 500 kg. We were very apprehensive about laying out over £38,000 and having all our plans go pear-shaped. We spent a great deal of time and thought before placing an order for the van.

Other vans we considered were the Autosleeper Duetto but this dropped out of the frame when we discovered that they were now built on the MWB instead of the LWB chassis. We also considered the Murvi but as they are built in Devon and we live in Yorkshire we decided it was too far to travel if any problems arose. Also its layout meant we could not have a back box. Another contender was IH Campers at Ferrybridge. They had a very good product and offered to build to our specification but Timberland got the nod, as they had the two single bed layout we wanted on the production line when we visited the works.

The Timberland has all the same facilities that we had on the Laika. The toilet/shower area is smaller but still as good as many coach-builts. The cooking facilities are actually better, with a small full domestic cooker. The fresh/waste water tanks are smaller but we don't find this a problem. In addition we carry 4 8-litre water containers for tea/coffee making. We also prefer to fill the 60-litre fresh water tank with these, rather than carrying long hoses, which are often inconvenient anyway.

Our hobby of chasing the winter sun often means travelling through cold weather before finding the sun. Before, in the Laika, having enough LPG for cooking, heating and the fridge was always a major problem.

We chose to have the optional Eberspacher diesel heater fitted at Timberland and later had an MTH Autogas 13kg refillable gas bottle with an external filler installed. This solved all the heating and LPG problems. Our 60-watt solar panel was fixed on the roof, to keep the 2 leisure batteries and the engine battery topped up when not on the move.

Storage space is down from the Laika but we still found room for all the essentials. It wasn't easy but we got there in the end. Sporty Trailers manufactured us a back box that hangs on the rear door, which takes care of the loungers and camping equipment.

The main thing we had to come to terms with was the downsizing of the fridge/freezer, from 135 litres to 60 litres (I'm allowed one cold beer at a time now). It just means you have to shop more frequently. This is not a problem these days, even in Turkey/Greece/Morocco. Large supermarkets are fairly frequent, even small village shops are much better stocked than they used to be and local markets are good.

General storage had to be juggled until it was right. The main thing is not to take anything not strictly essential (no ballgown or tuxedo). One of our main concerns was the fact that we might be falling over one another all the time. With a bit of thought and co-operation it never happened. Seating is comfortable and we can both lounge with feet up. Sleeping is also comfortable, with room to visit the loo and make tea.

If you are thinking of downsizing, do your homework first. Sort out your major priorities and look at all the options. If you get it wrong it can be a very expensive mistake. It was forced upon us but now we feel it's done us a favour. It's almost halved our fuel bill, reduced our ferry crossings and we have parked and visited places we would not have thought possible in the past. So our freedom has increased.

A 5-month tour of Turkey, Italy, Sardinia, Corsica and Austria went quickly without a hitch and all we could say about it was - this is even better than it used to be!
I hope this in some way helps.
Don
 
We have at the minute a VW T2 Danbury and we are in a quandry, do we stick with camper van or upgrade to M.H.
We take our grandaughter with us most times and our daughters like to come to.
Any idea's on what we should do

best regards

Hessi:mad1:
That's a coincidence, only yesterday my wife and I discussed down sizing, we bought a motorhome with facilities to wild camp but she's nervous about it. If we stay on sites we don't need onboard facilities. We're going away next week, I'll see how she gets on this time.
 
hi don . this is the beauty of a sensible sized fifth wheel camper . you can using the b+e licence that you retain at 70. use a tow unit of 3,500kg but tow any weight trailer as long as you dont break the train weight of tow unit, i think this is the way forward for over 70,s . so long as they dont go enormous (most do) a twenty foot trailer like mine gives a total length of only 10 mtr . smaller than many cars and a ten foot caravan.
in fact only 9inches longer than my mazdas bongo pulling a 10 ft van.
by using a good overlap like mine saves length and i can carry 7 people in the cab. cheers alan.
 
Hi Hessi,

We had to go in the oposite direction, it might help you make up your mind.

Eight years ago due to ill health (unable to pass the dreaded 70+ medical) we had to downsize from our A class Laika Ecovip 400i (4,200 kg MAM). We had had the Laika for 2 years and had fitted it out for winter touring.

Extras we had fitted were a pair of 60-litre LPG tanks for domestic use, a 60-watt solar panel and a Sporty Trailers aluminium back box. As standard, the Laika had a 135 litre fridge/freezer, 115 litre fresh water tank, 140 litre waste water tank and a marine toilet of 52 litre capacity. We had just got the van sorted to our satisfaction when we had to part with it.

We usually wintered away for 4 or 5 months (Jan - May), then had an Autumn trip (late Aug - mid Nov), making 7 or 8 months' continental touring in a year. We had spent Jan - April 2002 in Turkey and returned home via Rhodes, Patras and Venice. The Laika was easy to drive, very spacious to live in and the only drawbacks we found during this extensive trip were difficulties in parking and the impossibility of taking it down extremely narrow difficult roads to visit isolated ancient sites.

The search then started for a replacement motorhome, with two single beds and a reasonable payload. It was a lot harder than we thought it would be. It could not be above 3,500 kg MAM and we fancied a low profile coach-built but on most the payloads were inadequate for our needs. Some payloads were only 250 - 300 kg and we were still looking at fairly large motorhomes.

We then started to look at LWB high top vans and after much thought and deliberation we settled for the Timberland Freedom 11 on the LWB Fiat Ducato with a payload of approx 500 kg. We were very apprehensive about laying out over £38,000 and having all our plans go pear-shaped. We spent a great deal of time and thought before placing an order for the van.

Other vans we considered were the Autosleeper Duetto but this dropped out of the frame when we discovered that they were now built on the MWB instead of the LWB chassis. We also considered the Murvi but as they are built in Devon and we live in Yorkshire we decided it was too far to travel if any problems arose. Also its layout meant we could not have a back box. Another contender was IH Campers at Ferrybridge. They had a very good product and offered to build to our specification but Timberland got the nod, as they had the two single bed layout we wanted on the production line when we visited the works.

The Timberland has all the same facilities that we had on the Laika. The toilet/shower area is smaller but still as good as many coach-builts. The cooking facilities are actually better, with a small full domestic cooker. The fresh/waste water tanks are smaller but we don't find this a problem. In addition we carry 4 8-litre water containers for tea/coffee making. We also prefer to fill the 60-litre fresh water tank with these, rather than carrying long hoses, which are often inconvenient anyway.

Our hobby of chasing the winter sun often means travelling through cold weather before finding the sun. Before, in the Laika, having enough LPG for cooking, heating and the fridge was always a major problem.

We chose to have the optional Eberspacher diesel heater fitted at Timberland and later had an MTH Autogas 13kg refillable gas bottle with an external filler installed. This solved all the heating and LPG problems. Our 60-watt solar panel was fixed on the roof, to keep the 2 leisure batteries and the engine battery topped up when not on the move.

Storage space is down from the Laika but we still found room for all the essentials. It wasn't easy but we got there in the end. Sporty Trailers manufactured us a back box that hangs on the rear door, which takes care of the loungers and camping equipment.

The main thing we had to come to terms with was the downsizing of the fridge/freezer, from 135 litres to 60 litres (I'm allowed one cold beer at a time now). It just means you have to shop more frequently. This is not a problem these days, even in Turkey/Greece/Morocco. Large supermarkets are fairly frequent, even small village shops are much better stocked than they used to be and local markets are good.

General storage had to be juggled until it was right. The main thing is not to take anything not strictly essential (no ballgown or tuxedo). One of our main concerns was the fact that we might be falling over one another all the time. With a bit of thought and co-operation it never happened. Seating is comfortable and we can both lounge with feet up. Sleeping is also comfortable, with room to visit the loo and make tea.

If you are thinking of downsizing, do your homework first. Sort out your major priorities and look at all the options. If you get it wrong it can be a very expensive mistake. It was forced upon us but now we feel it's done us a favour. It's almost halved our fuel bill, reduced our ferry crossings and we have parked and visited places we would not have thought possible in the past. So our freedom has increased.

A 5-month tour of Turkey, Italy, Sardinia, Corsica and Austria went quickly without a hitch and all we could say about it was - this is even better than it used to be!
I hope this in some way helps.
Don

Hi Don,
Thanks for the very comprehensive reply.
Looking for something like Chausson flash (3 - 4 berth), either Ford or Fiat. What do you think?
best regards
Hessi:rolleyes2:
 
That's a coincidence, only yesterday my wife and I discussed down sizing, we bought a motorhome with facilities to wild camp but she's nervous about it. If we stay on sites we don't need onboard facilities. We're going away next week, I'll see how she gets on this time.

What do you have now then?

regards

Martyn:rolleyes2:
 
I had a 72 bay window for 5 years and had fantastic times. However, we did the VW thing to death, too many shows etc. Vanfest is a nightmare these days compared to how it used to be!!

We sold ours about two years ago and had a year off. Worst year ever. We missed the bloody thing like nobodies business.

Hence we got a new van/motorhome. I'm not sure what to call it really, its a LWB Fiat ducato van conversion but it has all the motorhome amenities (shower,toilet,cooking stuff) but is narrower and not as tall as a full blown motorhome (and much cheaper).
Hi Bob,
I am looking at Chausson Flash (3 - 4 berth), Ford or Fiat. What do you think?
best regards

Hessi:banana:
 
hi don . this is the beauty of a sensible sized fifth wheel camper . you can using the b+e licence that you retain at 70. use a tow unit of 3,500kg but tow any weight trailer as long as you dont break the train weight of tow unit, i think this is the way forward for over 70,s . so long as they dont go enormous (most do) a twenty foot trailer like mine gives a total length of only 10 mtr . smaller than many cars and a ten foot caravan.
in fact only 9inches longer than my mazdas bongo pulling a 10 ft van.
by using a good overlap like mine saves length and i can carry 7 people in the cab. cheers alan.

Hi Alan,

There is a very good chance that I will go down the 5th wheel route. I have 6 years before I reach the dreaded 70 and my chances of passing will be a bit dodgy. :wacko:

My present van is a Burstner tag axle with a 5 ton MAM. I love it to bits but I will not get all the dogs in any downsized van. :lol-061:
 
hiya main spring. if you should want to know more then ring on 07971962361 . 5ers and mini aetics are my addiction. there are many options .all depends how much work you want to do. a artic trailer just didnt sell on ebay been on twice .single axle didnt even get a bid at 500 quid start . easy to twin axle them and mount wheels more forward to allow lighter tow trucks . the beauty of mine is it as much more overlap than a normal 5er. the lower bit on mine is 12ft .the stepframe is 8ft. the one on ebay was 26 ft but easy to shorten and adapt to a camper. these days there are lots of trucks to pul it with .iveco transit renault mascott. merc sprinter . etc i like mitsy or isuzu. mine can turn round in a two lane road so they are very manuverable. give a call in fact anybody thats interested can ring. cheers alan.
 
I am about to downsize my 6 berth M/Home fixed double bed, Bessacarr 765.
looking for a LWB van.
I want to be able to park on relatives drives & smaller roads, not sure I will enjoy a
smaller one though as I have loads of space at the moment in mine. Dont know where to advertise it though?
As others say think about what you want before buying.
 
Hi Don,
Thanks for the very comprehensive reply.
Looking for something like Chausson flash (3 - 4 berth), either Ford or Fiat. What do you think?
best regards
Hessi:rolleyes2:

Hi Hessi,

Never heard anything bad about the Flash but make sure they have enough payload for your needs.

Fiat or ford, I would go for the ford but bear in mind the floor mounted gear stick which can be a pain if you have swivelling cab seats. We had the ford on the Auto sleeper legend and it was a pleasure to drive.

Having said that we have had a Fiat Ducato 2.8jtd for the last 8 years and it has performed very well. It's done 75,000+ and I can get up to 40MPG under perfect conditions using the cruise control on long trips across Europe and Turkey.

What ever you get enjoy it.

Safe travelling.

Don
 

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