Biodiesel

Kris

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With the rising fuel prices has anybody tried to produce biodiesel?

What I mean is not pouring pure oil, grease or fat in the tank, but the proper manufacturing mixture.
I know you can buy kits (not expensive) in the UK, and I read a few books on this subject.

What are your views and comments?

Thanks

Ciao

Kris
 
You obviously are not well informed. I referred to the fuel you make at home from waste oil. Providing you get the waste oil for free from several outlets (restaurants etc) the savings are substantial. If you buy the biodiesel at the pump you will most probably pay more than the derv. The purpose of the exercise is to save money.
 
You obviously are not well informed. I referred to the fuel you make at home from waste oil. Providing you get the waste oil for free from several outlets (restaurants etc) the savings are substantial. If you buy the biodiesel at the pump you will most probably pay more than the derv. The purpose of the exercise is to save money.

Its difficult to get waste oil in the UK as Biofuel manufactorers will buy it. Most Veg Oil suppliers will now collect used oil free of charge. The price of SVO in the UK has also doubled in the last 2 years making the savings a lot smaller :(
 
morrisons sell bio on the pump its 1p cheaper than derv i make my own as you can tell on other threads my own blend as its call is 77p a ltr
 
With the rising fuel prices has anybody tried to produce biodiesel?

What I mean is not pouring pure oil, grease or fat in the tank, but the proper manufacturing mixture.
I know you can buy kits (not expensive) in the UK, and I read a few books on this subject.

What are your views and comments?

Thanks

Ciao

Kris








kris go into the travellers rest part of the forum and look at fuel!!hopefully might answer your questions;)
 
I tried using bio in Spain a couple of year back it's OK if you can get it cheap, but I found my van with a 2.8 JTD didn't pull as well and I got a lower MPG so I guess it#s swing and roundabouts Bob
 
Maybe ten years ago I fiddled with a couple of batches of biofuel (haha) when it was all the rage to go eco friendly - the results were excellent, clean fuel, smell of fish & chips whilst driving, cheapish (the oil was free), good power from the fuel for a 40 year old Landrover.

BUT.....the chemicals put into the brew were less than "green" - caustic soda (by product of the oil refineries) and methanol (methylated spirits) a byproduct of chopping down tress and large amounts of water (5 litres of water to 1 litre of fuel) to wash the caustic from the fuel when the "cooking" was finished.

Mixing the warmed meths and caustic gave off clouds of vapour and required caustic proof cannister breathing apparatus - and maybe a new tin roof to the shed as there is a circle of rust on it. Mixing the meths/caustic into the veg oil was another pleasant experience needing breathing apparatus, PVC aprons, PVC gauntlets, etc. etc.

The sludge (fats turned to soap) leftover from the process was no use to man or beast and i used it to kill weeds, trees, etc. - scorched earth comes to mind as there are still patches of earth where nothing grows. Sieve filters were blocked pretty quickly with bits of fish, batter and chips and this muck has to be removed before you start cooking - you'll never eat at your local fish and chip shop again after seeing the muck that is in the oil. Plus I had to get rid of the muck and we were inundated with stray cats trying to get at the rubbish bins to feed on it.

No doubt the chemistry has moved on in the last ten years.
 
if you 'brew' your own bio then there are a few precautions.

pre common rail engines....depends on the injector pump.
the acid in 'chip fat' can attack the seals and O rings.
not sure but i think its the Bosch pumps.

common rail engines....check with the manufacturer as 'chip fat' can permenantly damage the injector system.

in all cases you must change the fuel filter when you start using bio and change again after around 2k miles, then change at usual intervals.
same applies if you change back to regular diesel
 
if you 'brew' your own bio then there are a few precautions.

pre common rail engines....depends on the injector pump.
the acid in 'chip fat' can attack the seals and O rings.
not sure but i think its the Bosch pumps.

common rail engines....check with the manufacturer as 'chip fat' can permenantly damage the injector system.

in all cases you must change the fuel filter when you start using bio and change again after around 2k miles, then change at usual intervals.
same applies if you change back to regular diesel

bosch pumps are the stronger of the pumps.however if you get your oil to operating temp at to near as goddamnit the viscosity of diesel no pump really has a problem. don't run your veg oil or bio thru your main filter but thru a seperate filter that way any probs then it can be quickly isolated. my opinion is to run a twin tank and have seperate filters etc so if problems then its in its own circuit. FILTER .FILTER,FILTER and VISCOSITY.

a diesel engine was predominantly built to run on peanut butter!! theres a lot of scaremongering going on that this can't be used and this can't be used!!!!! mercedes i believe warrant their vehicles in germany to accept biofuel!!if i'm wrong on any account please correct me! i would however suggest if your going to try either veg oil or bio do it small first and if you continue change your engine oil and filter bout every 6 mths /6000 mls.
 
bosch pumps are the stronger of the pumps.however if you get your oil to operating temp at to near as goddamnit the viscosity of diesel no pump really has a problem. don't run your veg oil or bio thru your main filter but thru a seperate filter that way any probs then it can be quickly isolated. my opinion is to run a twin tank and have seperate filters etc so if problems then its in its own circuit. FILTER .FILTER,FILTER and VISCOSITY.

a diesel engine was predominantly built to run on peanut butter!! theres a lot of scaremongering going on that this can't be used and this can't be used!!!!! mercedes i believe warrant their vehicles in germany to accept biofuel!!if i'm wrong on any account please correct me! i would however suggest if your going to try either veg oil or bio do it small first and if you continue change your engine oil and filter bout every 6 mths /6000 mls.

Thats pretty much as I understand it. The good pump is the bosch if you have a lucus then you should never use more that 50% veg oil or use bio. The big issues are the Viscosity, its thicker so damages pumps designed to pump derv and it can attack some rubber seals.

Your right about the peanut butter :D
The Diesel story is quite interesting. Mr Diesel originally invented his engine to run on Peanut oil so allowing people without access to expensive steam engines to have powered tools. There is no reason at all why Diesel engines should run on petrol based DERV other than it was more readily available than veg based oils.
:)
 
The Diesel story is quite interesting. Mr Diesel originally invented his engine to run on Peanut oil so allowing people without access to expensive steam engines to have powered tools. There is no reason at all why Diesel engines should run on petrol based DERV other than it was more readily available than veg based oils.
:)

Diesel's original idea was to use coal dust but after a spell in hospital caused by one of the explosions, he switched to peanut oil. The sad thing is that while Diesel was bu**gering about trying to get his engine to run for longer than a minute at a time, a chap called Herbert Akroyd Stuart was busy producing and selling reliable commercial compression ignition engines to industry.

Rudolf gets all the credit though
 
Diesel's original idea was to use coal dust but after a spell in hospital caused by one of the explosions, he switched to peanut oil. The sad thing is that while Diesel was bu**gering about trying to get his engine to run for longer than a minute at a time, a chap called Herbert Akroyd Stuart was busy producing and selling reliable commercial compression ignition engines to industry.

Rudolf gets all the credit though

:)
For those interested in this the Wiko entries for both Diesel and Stuarts Semi Diesel engine are very good
Diesel engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Herbert Akroyd Stuart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Very sad that we should find this stuff interesting, I'll get me anarok now and go :D
 

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