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Those ten litre Adblue containers with plastic spouts look like they would make a good water carrier. However does anyone know if the plastic used is acceptable for domestic water? I doubt there’s any risk of contamination as urea is a relatively harmless product that we all produce ourselves, albeit in a somewhat less pure form!
We have been using 5L white vinegar containers without worries as that is a substance suitable for human consumption, and leaves no detectable taint.
 
Dont chance it urea is poop i think similar to e coli you will probably poop through the eye of a needle for a week GSK used to use it in primary manufacturing plants
 
All plastics are porous to some extent. So if I was going to recycle a plastic container I would have liked it to have contained a human grade food product. I think food grade containers are supposed to be made from virgin plastic.
 
Most plastic containers break down with time. Sometimes the use by date has more to do with the plastic deteriorating than the product within. Although it is a different product I asked the supplier why the Efoy fuel cartridges have use by dates, it is pure alcohol which even kills Coronavirus. The reply was that with time the plastic pollutes the alcohol. I suspect the Adblue containers are just the same, I think they have use by dates too but it probably is not the urea that deteriorates.

I am not one of the people that gets apoplectic when I see someone use a non food grade hose or watering can for fresh water (my watering can fails that test). However I do now avoid storing drinking water in something that is not a long term food grade plastic.
 
Don't have an answer, but every time I chuck one of those containers in the recycling bin I wish I had a use for them. Too good for a single use, same with a lot of containers these days.
 
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Don't have an answer, but every time I chuck one of those containers in the recycling bin I wish I had a use for them. Too good for a single use, same with a lot of containers these days.
I use containers like that for old engine oil dump it or use on shed/fence and then surplus oil container at tip
 
When I was driving there was a huge (10,000ltr) ad blue tank in the yard next to the diesel pump, the hose and pump was always covered in white gunge (dried on pigs piss) and you want to use it for water..... it was still there after rain, are you sure about this.
 
I've noticed those 5 litre water containers from the likes of Tesco and Asda and other stores do not last long. Possibly re use them about 5 times then throw. Notice plastic floating around inside and sediment of plastic.
 
Dont chance it urea is poop i think similar to e coli you will probably poop through the eye of a needle for a week GSK used to use it in primary manufacturing plants
Sorry, in human terms it comes out the other end and is relatively free of pathogens.
 
All plastics are porous to some extent. So if I was going to recycle a plastic container I would have liked it to have contained a human grade food product. I think food grade containers are supposed to be made from virgin plastic.
I had a blow up doll made from that. 😂 well she said she was.
 
Which Plastics Are Safe for Food Storage?
Some plastics can be recycled for water or food storage while others contain toxins not suitable for storage. Other containers may be difficult to disinfect, may allow evaporation or they may begin to collapse over a long period of time. However, in general, when determining which plastics can be reused, a good rule of thumb is that if the container originally stored food, it can be safely used for food again. Consider the following information.

• PET or PETE — This type of plastic, polyethylene terephthalate is listed as number 1 inside the recycling triangle diagram. PET plastic is clear, tough and has gas and moisture barrier properties. This plastic is commonly used for beverages such as soft drinks, juices and bottled water. It is also used for foods such as peanut butter, pickles and salad dressing. Keep in mind that there will always be a remaining scent in containers that originally stored food with strong odors.

• HDPE — High density polyethylene is the plastic commonly used for milk bottles, some juice containers and laundry products. It is shown as number 2 on the triangle code. These containers can be translucent or colored and are somewhat stiff and well-suited for packaging products with a short shelf life, such as milk. However, used milk jugs are not well suited as food storage containers. While the plastic is considered food grade, milk containers are difficult to sanitize properly, and the plastic will break down over time. Chlorine bleach containers hold up somewhat better, but if water is stored in these containers, it should be used for purposes other than drinking, such as for laundry or dishes. Avoid using plastic garbage bags or plastic grocery bags made from this plastic as food storage liners.

• PVC — Most think of plastic pipes when the term PVC (polyvinyl chloride) is used. The triangle code lists the number 3. This plastic weathers well, is stable for surrounding electrical cables and is a staple in home window frames, floor tiles and siding. This plastic can be used for both food and non-food purposes. Make certain the container has not been treated for use in industry or construction before storing food in it.

• LDPE — Low density polyethylene plastics are listed as the number 4 on the triangle code. They are used for a wide range of items such as dry-cleaning bags, bread and frozen food bags and squeezable bottles for mustard and honey. To recycle these for food storage, consider what was in them previously and how easily the containers can be sanitized. This is probably not the best plastic for long-term food storage.

• PP — Polypropylene is noted as the number 5 on the triangle code. This plastic is tough and may be stiff or flexible. Yogurt containers, margarine tubs and medicine bottles are examples of food grade containers made from this plastic. Polypropylene is also used to make ice scrapers, oil funnels, rakes, pallets and refrigerator food storage bins. It is a widely used plastic.

• PS — This is polystyrene, a number 6 on the recycling triangle. It is a rigid plastic or a foam that is clear, hard and brittle. Typical uses include cups, plates, cutlery, egg cartons, meat trays and compact disc jackets. While this is widely used in packaging, it doesn’t usually come in containers suitable for food storage.

• Other — The last category is the number 7. This code means that the package is made with a resin other than the six listed above or is a combination of two or more of them. For foods and food storage, number 7 containers are commonly found in 3 and 5 gallon reusable water bottles/jugs, some citrus juice containers and ketchup bottles.

Hope that helps.
 
Those ten litre Adblue containers with plastic spouts look like they would make a good water carrier. However does anyone know if the plastic used is acceptable for domestic water? I doubt there’s any risk of contamination as urea is a relatively harmless product that we all produce ourselves, albeit in a somewhat less pure form!
We have been using 5L white vinegar containers without worries as that is a substance suitable for human consumption, and leaves no detectable taint.
Yes I would use them it will keep your emissions down.
 
Which Plastics Are Safe for Food Storage?
Some plastics can be recycled for water or food storage while others contain toxins not suitable for storage. Other containers may be difficult to disinfect, may allow evaporation or they may begin to collapse over a long period of time. However, in general, when determining which plastics can be reused, a good rule of thumb is that if the container originally stored food, it can be safely used for food again. Consider the following information.

• PET or PETE — This type of plastic, polyethylene terephthalate is listed as number 1 inside the recycling triangle diagram. PET plastic is clear, tough and has gas and moisture barrier properties. This plastic is commonly used for beverages such as soft drinks, juices and bottled water. It is also used for foods such as peanut butter, pickles and salad dressing. Keep in mind that there will always be a remaining scent in containers that originally stored food with strong odors.

• HDPE — High density polyethylene is the plastic commonly used for milk bottles, some juice containers and laundry products. It is shown as number 2 on the triangle code. These containers can be translucent or colored and are somewhat stiff and well-suited for packaging products with a short shelf life, such as milk. However, used milk jugs are not well suited as food storage containers. While the plastic is considered food grade, milk containers are difficult to sanitize properly, and the plastic will break down over time. Chlorine bleach containers hold up somewhat better, but if water is stored in these containers, it should be used for purposes other than drinking, such as for laundry or dishes. Avoid using plastic garbage bags or plastic grocery bags made from this plastic as food storage liners.

• PVC — Most think of plastic pipes when the term PVC (polyvinyl chloride) is used. The triangle code lists the number 3. This plastic weathers well, is stable for surrounding electrical cables and is a staple in home window frames, floor tiles and siding. This plastic can be used for both food and non-food purposes. Make certain the container has not been treated for use in industry or construction before storing food in it.

• LDPE — Low density polyethylene plastics are listed as the number 4 on the triangle code. They are used for a wide range of items such as dry-cleaning bags, bread and frozen food bags and squeezable bottles for mustard and honey. To recycle these for food storage, consider what was in them previously and how easily the containers can be sanitized. This is probably not the best plastic for long-term food storage.

• PP — Polypropylene is noted as the number 5 on the triangle code. This plastic is tough and may be stiff or flexible. Yogurt containers, margarine tubs and medicine bottles are examples of food grade containers made from this plastic. Polypropylene is also used to make ice scrapers, oil funnels, rakes, pallets and refrigerator food storage bins. It is a widely used plastic.

• PS — This is polystyrene, a number 6 on the recycling triangle. It is a rigid plastic or a foam that is clear, hard and brittle. Typical uses include cups, plates, cutlery, egg cartons, meat trays and compact disc jackets. While this is widely used in packaging, it doesn’t usually come in containers suitable for food storage.

• Other — The last category is the number 7. This code means that the package is made with a resin other than the six listed above or is a combination of two or more of them. For foods and food storage, number 7 containers are commonly found in 3 and 5 gallon reusable water bottles/jugs, some citrus juice containers and ketchup bottles.

Hope that helps.
The adblue containers are made from cat 2 HDPE, so it would seem suitable for water carriers, and OK for water storage so long as it isn’t used for drinking water. With its spout it seems a suitable alternative to a watering can as obviously you can’t store water at all in the latter.
 
All plastics are porous to some extent. So if I was going to recycle a plastic container I would have liked it to have contained a human grade food product. I think food grade containers are supposed to be made from virgin plastic.
I bought a bottle of Buxton Water this week that boasted it had been made of other bottles.
 

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