90 days in France etc

Alshymer

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Hi
We returned from 37 days in France on 5th June.
If we go again on 18th July, how long can we remain in Schengen?
Thanks
 
Thank you for that info and details of the app.
As we arrived in France on 29th April we assume that that is the first day of the 180.
Therefore 180 days on is 26th October.
We are not really sure that this affects us as although we are U.K. residents at present, we do have French residency for 5 years under the ****** Withdrawal Agreement.
So, we think that if we stay in
France, there is no restriction for us.
Interesting point or what?
Regards
 
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Alshymer said:
Thank you for that info and details of the app.
As we arrived in France on 29th April we assume that that is the first day of the 180.
Therefore 180 days on is 26th October.
We are not really sure that this affects us as although we are U.K. residents at present, we do have French residency for 5 years under the ****** Withdrawal Agreement.
So, we think that if we stay in
France, there is no restriction for us.
Interesting point or what?
Regards
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It is proving you have stayed in france which seems to be the issue. We can stay in Portugal for same reason. I have an email from European directive contact centre where they define my rights. It would be worth also getting a similar ruling from them as it is not understood even by border personnel! We keep receipts from beginning middle and end of stay in Portugal, just in case the French border guards question it. ( only place where we have to officially cross a border!) Pm me if you want a copy of the email.
 
REC said:
It is proving you have stayed in france which seems to be the issue. We can stay in Portugal for same reason. I have an email from European directive contact centre where they define my rights. It would be worth also getting a similar ruling from them as it is not understood even by border personnel! We keep receipts from beginning middle and end of stay in Portugal, just in case the French border guards question it. ( only place where we have to officially cross a border!) Pm me if you want a copy of the email.
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Perhaps I'm being too simplistic but isn't the onus on the border control officials to prove that you haven't stayed continuously in Portugal?

That aside there's a better way to prove it should you need to. If you have an Android phone Google Maps Timeline will record your location continuously if you grant permission.
 
Canalsman said:
Perhaps I'm being too simplistic but isn't the onus on the border control officials to prove that you haven't stayed continuously in Portugal?

That aside there's a better way to prove it should you need to. If you have an Android phone Google Maps Timeline will record your location continuously if you grant permission.
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Timeline is a brilliant idea.
No, unfortunately the French border people insisted that we couldn't stay more than 90 days last time we came across the border. Portugal are issuing biometric cards (eventually) but haven't started yet....and France won't accept our residency documents only the card which hasn't been issued to many yet. Luckily we only booked 88 days so it didn't come to a disagreement, but the Gallic shrug indicated they wouldn't be moved. Apparently if you get fined and banned, it all gets reversed on proof from Portugal, but the situation is muddy to say the least.
Which is why we contacted Portuguese authorities, and European direct to clarify our understanding of our position! Bit of a B**** nightmare!
 
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