Delica - the next challenge - help please me re weight issues

[mark61]

Driving through muddy water is fun, but, yes, needs to be baked up with extra maintenance. I now avoid deep water when it looks more like slurry, blocks radiator in no time and takes ages to clean, and thats just the beginning of the extra work.

 

[Tbear]

Interestingly one of the healthiest populations have a Scandinavian diet which is very high in fats, but that's an aside which is not quite understood.
Back in the day the NHS where happy to advise people to cut down on saturated fats, to this end they promoted spreads many of which contained trans fats, a real killer.

The evidence that I have seen coming out of Scandinavia is to reduce carbs and eat fresh food which is unrefined or interfered with. This will of course will include fish and dairy products in that area. The Norwegians that I know are all very fit and eat a diet rich in fish, fresh fruit and veg.

I cannot remember when the NHS promoted a diet high in calories from any source. Available evidence has switched between butter and marge as technology moves forward but the calories ingested to exercise ratio still remains the same. Too much oil and too little exercise equals obesity which will shorten your life, increase damage to your joints and increase your risk of cancer. If you wish to have a high calorie and high fat diet, please feel free. Smoke and drink large amounts of alcohol as well if you wish but please don't come bleating to the health service with your self inflicted problems in later life.

Richard

 

[colinm]

I cannot remember when the NHS promoted a diet high in calories from any source. Available evidence has switched between butter and marge as technology moves forward but the calories ingested to exercise ratio still remains the same. Too much oil and too little exercise equals obesity which will shorten your life, increase damage to your joints and increase your risk of cancer. If you wish to have a high calorie and high fat diet, please feel free. Smoke and drink large amounts of alcohol as well if you wish but please don't come bleating to the health service with your self inflicted problems in later life.

Richard

Who's saying they have promoted a high calorie diet, certainly not me.
The NHS where 'fooled' into believing that a diet low in saturates was the answer to a lot of health problems, well that's true to a certain extent, but it depends on what you replace the saturates with.
Go back a few decades and the advice was to switch to low fat foods and also spreads to replace butter, the problem is some of those foods such as spreads contained trans fats, also a lot of low fat food contained a lot of sugars, not enough emphasis was given to educate the general public that this was as bad or even worse than eating high fat foods, so we had a lot of people eating trans fats which are really nasty and sugars which the body will readily convert to fat given enough insulin.
Fast forward to today and we have a ban on trans fats in food, an obesity epidemic, and a greater number of people with diabetes.

 

[Fazerloz]

Too much oil and too little exercise equals obesity which will shorten your life, increase damage to your joints and increase your risk of cancer. If you wish to have a high calorie and high fat diet, please feel free. Smoke and drink large amounts of alcohol as well if you wish but please don't come bleating to the health service with your self inflicted problems in later life.

Richard

Are you advocating only those who have led a so called healthy lifestyle should be able to have NHS assistance which everyone has paid into. After all how many have gone to the NHS due to sport, Keep fit, allsorts of other activities which cause self inflicted injuries. A fatty has just as much right to knee surgery as someone who had caused the damage through playing football. Both self inflicted.

 

[delicagirl]

Some NHS trusts will not offer gastric surgery to the obese if the patient will not lose a defined amount of weight in a specific time - this is a test of their own motivation, and proof of their individual commitment to taking some responsibility for their own condition before consuming large amounts of NHS resources.

The cost of treating the obese in terms of strengthening floors in obesity units, buying large specially strengthened ambulances/chairs/surgical gurneys/wheel chairs etc etc is growing. The cost of treating injuries through sporting activities must surely pale into insignificance when compared with the cost of treating 1/3rd+ of our adult population who are overweight and in need of medications and treatments for a wide variety of weight-related conditions:- high blood pressure, diabetes, asthma, flat feet, heart conditions, sleep apnoea, etc etc etc.

I'm sure our medical members can add to this list.

Our more mature generation has had it instilled into us that the NHS is totally responsible for our lives. This can no longer be the case as funding is now such a crucial issue.

The NHS offers a post code lottery with regards to different treatments offered in different parts of the country, we all know that - so we already accept that not all treatments are available for all patients.

Forcing the obese (and other "self inflicted" conditions - however they are defined) to participate in their own recovery has to be a good way forward to help them keep the weight off/reduce their medication/feel better for the rest of their lives - both for their own sense of well being and health and for the finances of the NHS.

 

[Tbear]

Who's saying they have promoted a high calorie diet, certainly not me.
The NHS where 'fooled' into believing that a diet low in saturates was the answer to a lot of health problems, well that's true to a certain extent, but it depends on what you replace the saturates with.
Go back a few decades and the advice was to switch to low fat foods and also spreads to replace butter, the problem is some of those foods such as spreads contained trans fats, also a lot of low fat food contained a lot of sugars, not enough emphasis was given to educate the general public that this was as bad or even worse than eating high fat foods, so we had a lot of people eating trans fats which are really nasty and sugars which the body will readily convert to fat given enough insulin.
Fast forward to today and we have a ban on trans fats in food, an obesity epidemic, and a greater number of people with diabetes.

People are getting fat because they eat too much and eat the wrong things and they know it. Nothing to do with the advise they have been given, rather in spite of it. Type 2 diabetes is on the rise because more people are getting fat. I am not overweight because I had some margarine on my toast but because of all the other rubbish I have consumed as well. Ironically to give me the energy to lug other fatter people about.

Richard

 

[Channa]

People are getting fat because they eat too much and eat the wrong things and they know it. Nothing to do with the advise they have been given, rather in spite of it. Richard

Not only that but eat the wrong time of day, Eat the wrong way round, Light lunches heavy dinners early evening , not giving the digestive system time to do its job. A lot of the issue I believe are lifestyle choices, some self inficted

Channa

 

[delicagirl]

People are getting fat because they eat too much and eat the wrong things and they know it. Nothing to do with the advise they have been given, rather in spite of it. Type 2 diabetes is on the rise because more people are getting fat. I am not overweight because I had some margarine on my toast but because of all the other rubbish I have consumed as well. Ironically to give me the energy to lug other fatter people about.

Richard

I do agree with this sentiment - but I think we need to look at our education system also - i have met many many 20-30 years olds who cannot cook, because they were not taught this basic skill at school, and now eat entirely form takeaway shops. If our schools improved their food education this could help.

Jamie oliver has been fighting this lack of awareness for many years now and his influence seems to be slowly taken on board by schools who are preparing their own menus .... I wish him well.

 

[trevskoda]

Some NHS trusts will not offer gastric surgery to the obese if the patient will not lose a defined amount of weight in a specific time - this is a test of their own motivation, and proof of their individual commitment to taking some responsibility for their own condition before consuming large amounts of NHS resources.

The cost of treating the obese in terms of strengthening floors in obesity units, buying large specially strengthened ambulances/chairs/surgical gurneys/wheel chairs etc etc is growing.
I blame most of this on that chap called Ken tucky & his scotch mate Mc donald.:lol-049:
On tv today they were saying people eat at least 2 takaways every day,i would say more like 4 a day never mind the large volumes of inkahol hic burp that is consumed.

 

[vwalan]

I do agree with this sentiment - but I think we need to look at our education system also - i have met many many 20-30 years olds who cannot cook, because they were not taught this basic skill at school, and not eat entirely form takeaway shops. If our schools improved their food education this could help.

Jamie oliver has been fighting this lack of awareness for many years now and his influence seems to be slowly taken on board by schools who are preparing their own menus .... I wish him well.

there are thousands in their 50,s and 60,s and even older that cant cook.
it was taught at school but not many actually learnt it .
education makes people highly educated . it does make them intelligent.
be far better if schools assisted in teaching life skills , these have been missing for generations . think the 50,s and 60,s teenagers started it .
many cant even use a sweeping brush .
strangely i see youngsters wanting to learn these basic skills . but dont know who can teach them.

 

[delicagirl]

I eat take-a-ways at least 3 times a week - but I buy fresh prepared salad boxes from my local baker - at a price far cheaper than I could buy the ingredients for and then I would have to wash and prepare the food. it is convenient for me to do so.


but I guess the British image of take-a-ways is fat fast food - but the other side of the coin is that the likes of Marks and Spencer now sell very very healthy take a way meals at reasonable prices - but even those are beyond the budget of someone on benefits.

 

[delicagirl]

there are thousands in their 50,s and 60,s and even older that cant cook.
it was taught at school but not many actually learnt it .
education makes people highly educated . it does make them intelligent.
be far better if schools assisted in teaching life skills , these have been missing for generations . think the 50,s and 60,s teenagers started it .
many cant even use a sweeping brush .
strangely i see youngsters wanting to learn these basic skills . but dont know who can teach them.

send em to me Al !!!

 

[delicagirl]

David it is frightening how many local pubs close here each week - pretty soon there will be no local "non-restaurant" pubs left.....

 

[vwalan]

Some NHS trusts will not offer gastric surgery to the obese if the patient will not lose a defined amount of weight in a specific time - this is a test of their own motivation, and proof of their individual commitment to taking some responsibility for their own condition before consuming large amounts of NHS resources.

The cost of treating the obese in terms of strengthening floors in obesity units, buying large specially strengthened ambulances/chairs/surgical gurneys/wheel chairs etc etc is growing.
I blame most of this on that chap called Ken tucky & his scotch mate Mc donald.:lol-049:
On tv today they were saying people eat at least 2 takaways every day,i would say more like 4 a day never mind the large volumes of inkahol hic burp that is consumed.

have you not been told the secret of kentucky fried chicken ?
i learnt it years ago.
cant put it here its a secret. but they can be very healthy if done correctly .

 

[delicagirl]

have you not been told the secret of kentucky fried chicken ?
i learnt it years ago.
cant put it here its a secret. but they can be very healthy if done correctly .

I was taken out for a meal to an American Diner recently and not only were the portion sized huge, but everything was fried...... I rest my case......

 

[trevskoda]

have you not been told the secret of kentucky fried chicken ?
i learnt it years ago.
cant put it here its a secret. but they can be very healthy if done correctly .

I have never found any chicken in it ,more like sparrow and never mind the gallon of sugery coke they drink with it.
I used to eat at subway until a report found the put chemicals in to preserve which is used in plastics and known to cause cancer.
Fish which you buy at big stores is 6 weeks and older which is not good and they are now saying only fresh is best,so rod out of loft and boat to be made ready once more.

 

[Channa]

I do agree with this sentiment - but I think we need to look at our education system also - i have met many many 20-30 years olds who cannot cook, because they were not taught this basic skill at school, and now eat entirely form takeaway shops. If our schools improved their food education this could help.

Jamie oliver has been fighting this lack of awareness for many years now and his influence seems to be slowly taken on board by schools who are preparing their own menus .... I wish him well.

I think my links to Jamie Oliver clips adequately show I am with him on this topic.

The issue teaching young people and I speak from attempted experience is under 16 years of age incredibly difficult to get insurance cover, then there are crb checks then there is the raft of Health and safety documentation. Why would anyone bother ?

The same is true of other occupations, a child leaves school at 16 is barely capable of flying a sweeping brush, the potential cost for employers minimum wages
and all that, results in very few being able to employ the young even if they want too.Two years down the line disappear travelling etc that is one of the big problems

Channa

 

[Tezza33]

So what was the weight of your van Collette?View attachment 47081

 

[Channa]

This is what can be achieved, a bit of background.

Ben Chapman is one of Jamie Olivers sous chefs at the restaurant 15 in London,

Jamie's idea was to take young people off the street homeless a lot of them, drug issues and all that goes with it. And give them a career in catering.

Point 1.... His bank refused to back him point blank so he used his own money to fund the project. ( perhaps there is an issue there)
Point 2.... The restaurant has become successful and these young people "write offs" many have moved on to work at prestigious restaurants including Raymond Blancs Le Manoir

Point3... Ben Chapman is one of the proteges, homeless etc had his issues but the project has turned him around , the lad paying taxes like the rest of us. Head of section expect to pay £40 for one of his pastas.

Ben has settled down has a son of 4 who when he is not working spends time in the kitchen teaching little one to cook.

IT CAN BE DONE... we collectively need a shift in attitude and an adoption of the cando spirit

I make no apologies for my enthusiasm, There is a lost generation for whom perhaps little can be done. But we can sure as eggs are eggs influence the younger people

Jamie's Dream School | Jamie Oliver's Guide to Perfect Pasta, with Ben Chapman - YouTube

Channa

 

[trevskoda]

This is what can be achieved, a bit of background.

Ben Chapman is one of Jamie Olivers sous chefs at the restaurant 15 in London,

Jamie's idea was to take young people off the street homeless a lot of them, drug issues and all that goes with it. And give them a career in catering.

Point 1.... His bank refused to back him point blank so he used his own money to fund the project. ( perhaps there is an issue there)
Point 2.... The restaurant has become successful and these young people "write offs" many have moved on to work at prestigious restaurants including Raymond Blancs Le Manoir

Point3... Ben Chapman is one of the proteges, homeless etc had his issues but the project has turned him around , the lad paying taxes like the rest of us. Head of section expect to pay £40 for one of his pastas.

Ben has settled down has a son of 4 who when he is not working spends time in the kitchen teaching little one to cook.

IT CAN BE DONE... we collectively need a shift in attitude and an adoption of the cando spirit

I make no apologies for my enthusiasm, There is a lost generation for whom perhaps little can be done. But we can sure as eggs are eggs influence the younger people

Jamie's Dream School | Jamie Oliver's Guide to Perfect Pasta, with Ben Chapman - YouTube

Channa

At £40 he can keep his pasta, as i can feed 4 of us here for 2 weeks on that.