New EU MOT rules on the UK from tomorrow

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How will the strict new MOT rules affect all of us in the motorhoming fraternity? From tomorrow apparently there will be lots of more stringent new tests, on warning lights and airbags, speedos and CATs and computer systems. New tough MoT rules could see thousands of failures - Telegraph

The unfair bit seems to be that we in the UK will still have to have our vehicles tested every year, rather than after 24 months, as takes place in many other parts of the EU. Will it be toughest on old vehicles or newer ones?
 
This just proves the point that modern cars have become far too complicated electronically. :confused: :scared:

I would love to know how they're going to test the airbags though!!! :hammer: :raofl:
 
I may be in a minority, but I believe it is about time the safety systems fitted to cars were checked & failed if found to be faulty as part of a modern vehicle test.

Dave..
 
New MoT Rules

As an example though, it would previously have been possible to pass the MoT with a fault in the brake system (eg: faulty ABS) simply by disconnecting the warning light. Now the tester needs to see the light come on at first when the ignition is turned on and which should then go out indicating that it's functioning correctly. Whilst this might mean more MoT failures it doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable test.
 
I really hate all of the safety systems that are being constantly imposed - I know that probably makes me wierd, but I think they make people far too over confident.

I'm much more of the school of thought that driving around with a big spike on the steering wheel will make you drive quite safely.

As a biker I have to say that modern cars are pretty much idiot proof, so the fact that we still have so many crashes would seem to suggest that people's skill levels are falling to fairly dire levels. Why not make drivers better rather than allow poorer driving to be supplemented by more gadgets?

Right - i'm off back under my rock again.......
 
Mine`s in 2 weeks today , we`ll see how it goes , i always stay and watch.

I`m trying a new MOT Station this year after the " FIASCO " last year with the AL-KO Handbrake.
 
nicandnina said:
As an example though, it would previously have been possible to pass the MoT with a fault in the brake system (eg: faulty ABS) simply by disconnecting the warning light. Now the tester needs to see the light come on at first when the ignition is turned on and which should then go out indicating that it's functioning correctly. Whilst this might mean more MoT failures it doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable test.
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that's not new, has been like this for ages. Most of the tester just didn't bother to have a closer look when the light didn't come on in the first place.
 
hextal said:
I really hate all of the safety systems that are being constantly imposed - I know that probably makes me wierd, but I think they make people far too over confident.

I'm much more of the school of thought that driving around with a big spike on the steering wheel will make you drive quite safely.

As a biker I have to say that modern cars are pretty much idiot proof, so the fact that we still have so many crashes would seem to suggest that people's skill levels are falling to fairly dire levels. Why not make drivers better rather than allow poorer driving to be supplemented by more gadgets?

Right - i'm off back under my rock again.......
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I quite agree. I am not a traffic accident statistician but I would wager that most accidents are caused by people, not by their vehicles. Nanny (Euro) state rides again.
 
It actually came in in January last year and up until tomorrow (20th) only an advisory could be given for the new testable items that had been introduced, as of tomorrow it's in full swing..

More details here: MOT changes from 2012 | AA
 
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Not just warning lights and stuff.

It now covers tow bars and a full functioning check of 13pin tow sockets. 7 pin sockets only require a visual check though.
I have seen some weird tow bar lash-ups on M/H's in the past

I'm screwed then as I have an American 4 pin flat trailer socket:rolleyes2:( Never actually towed a trailer)

John
 
Woo hoo - well for me any way, My 26 year old VW got through on Saturday and she's to be sold to a new breed of wilder. One that doesn't need an onboard loo yet. Unless you count those rare earth relays in the gauntlet box, it doesn't have that many computers either.

It's had:
Apples
Blackerries
A mouse
The odd floppy
Bits of a bus
A Mac
 
I find it galling that our Government is quick to accept the imposition of the more stringent European MOT test but refuses to make the test every two years in line with other European countries. More cost to UK motorists.
 
Strongly disagree with your view:
ABS is a massive safety feature. Seen so many comparisons, a non ABS car will never stop as quick as an ABS equipped one. (except slow speed in snow). Your overlooking the other feature of ABS, Almost full control of the steering, try that with locked front wheels.

Edit: Another plus for ABS on vans & M/H's is that it does away with the need for the notoriously crappy, unreliable weight proportional valve used to limit braking forces on rear axles.

John
 
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A non ABS vehicle can stop quicker then a vehicle fitted with ABS with the right driver, but these drivers are normally highly trained and not your Mr/Mrs/Ms Average.

Also most if not all modern systems do a lot more calculations & operate other systems under the heading of ABS/EBS.

Have you not got a oil & water level warning light?

Dave..
 
jogguk said:
Another plus for ABS on vans & M/H's is that it does away with the need for the notoriously crappy, unreliable weight proportional valve used to limit braking forces on rear axles.
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I think you are confusing ABS with EBS, but you are right with EBS it removes the need for a load sensing/weight proportional valve.

Dave..
 
dave docwra said:
A non ABS vehicle can stop quicker then a vehicle fitted with ABS with the right driver, but these drivers are normally highly trained and not your Mr/Mrs/Ms Average.

Also most if not all modern systems do a lot more calculations & operate other systems under the heading of ABS/EBS.

Have you not got a oil & water level warning light?

Dave..
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Got an oil pressure warning light (not sure about t'other), but I just check the fluids as a matter of course, so i've not seen it/them other than when putting key in ignition.

You can get sensors for the tyres to let you know if they are deflating, but you can tell how the tyres are by looking at them and feeling how the vehicle is handling.

I'm not a fan of ABS but can kinda see how some would prefer it, but traction control!! Ok, if you have a car with a zillion BHP and need to get off the starting grid fast I can see a need, but if a person seriously needs traction control on a bog standard family run-about then they really need to look to public transport for the sake of those around them.

Our lass's car throws a dash warning if a bulb is out - what sort of person can't see light (or more specifically it's absence)??

Sorry - this is one of my major gripe type topics. Right up there with the "do not eat this hair-dryer" type warning labels.
 
I browsing in the motoring section of our public library a few months ago, I spotted a Hayne's Manual for the Ford Cortina MKIV, I used to own the estate version, I thumbed through the book, there were no references to ABS, ECU, EBS or any of the the troublesome Gizmos which plague our present day vehicles. The manual was printed on proper paper, not the recycled loo paper the latest ones are printed on, and the photos were crisp and clear. Those halcyon days of uncomplicated motoring.....OK, I'll concede that I used to have to change the over head cam and followers every 20K miles.
 
hextal said:
I really hate all of the safety systems that are being constantly imposed - I know that probably makes me wierd, but I think they make people far too over confident.

I'm much more of the school of thought that driving around with a big spike on the steering wheel will make you drive quite safely.

As a biker I have to say that modern cars are pretty much idiot proof, so the fact that we still have so many crashes would seem to suggest that people's skill levels are falling to fairly dire levels. Why not make drivers better rather than allow poorer driving to be supplemented by more gadgets?

Right - i'm off back under my rock again.......
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On the same theme, the CTC did a survey a few years back, it was all bought about by the possible introduction of compulsory helmet wearing for cyclists, they found cyclists rode faster, and, significantly, took more risks when wearing a helmet than without one.
 
hextal said:
You can get sensors for the tyres to let you know if they are deflating, but you can tell how the tyres are by looking at them and feeling how the vehicle is handling.
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In my opinion most people out there wouldn`t even Know or Care if they had a problem with their tyres !

A few weeks back whilst driving home the car infront had a virtually flat rear tyre and was carrying on without a care in the world.

We came to some traffic lights which i know take for ages to go through the sequence, so i popped out to tell the driver it was nearly flat.

They saw me coming in the wing mirror and lowered the window , i asked if they knew it was nearly flat and their response was :-

" What The F**k Has That Got To Do with You " and shut the window !
 
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