Well done Moray.

[izwozral]

<div class="bbWrapper"><div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24851" data-url="https://news.stv.tv/north/campervans-to-be-allowed-to-park-overnight-in-moray-as-pilot-scheme-agreed" data-host="news.stv.tv" data-pending="false"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="https://news.stv.tv/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/67ecb487f3b0a6c25257f373609fcb30-53-social-default.jpg" loading="lazy" alt="news.stv.tv" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://news.stv.tv/north/campervans-to-be-allowed-to-park-overnight-in-moray-as-pilot-scheme-agreed" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Campervans to be allowed to park overnight as pilot scheme agreed </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">The scheme will allow self-catering campervans and motorhomes to park overnight at the site for a voluntary fee of £7.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://news.stv.tv/wp-content/themes/stvnews/static/images/favicons/favicon.ico" loading="lazy" alt="news.stv.tv" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> news.stv.tv </div> </div> </div> </div></div>

 

[Robmac]

<div class="bbWrapper">Gordon posted about this one yesterday Ral.<br /> <br /> There will be the usual objections!<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24858" data-url="https://wildcamping.co.uk/threads/12-month-motorhome-park-up-scheme.102098/" data-host="wildcamping.co.uk" data-pending="false"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://wildcamping.co.uk/threads/12-month-motorhome-park-up-scheme.102098/" class="link link--internal fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="" rel="" data-proxy-href=""> 12 month Motorhome park up scheme </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Hope more try this</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://wildcamping.co.uk/images/favicon.ico" loading="lazy" alt="wildcamping.co.uk" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> wildcamping.co.uk </div> </div> </div> </div></div>

 

[caledonia]

<div class="bbWrapper">There will be close monitoring of vans parked and money paid. If anything like voluntary system at Glencoe<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤦🏻‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f926-1f3fb-2642.png" title="Man facepalming: light skin tone :man_facepalming_tone1:" data-shortname=":man_facepalming_tone1:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />. Let’s hope the majority dont spoil things for the minority<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />. Hope not as it’s a lovely part of Scotland and often needs the money us tourists bring.</div>

 

[brucews]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hopefully they will put a black disposal tank as well.</div>

 

[Tonybvi]

<div class="bbWrapper">Complaints already coming in! Screen shot of P &amp; J article yesterday.<br /> <br /> <script class="js-extraPhrases" type="application/json"> { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightbox_zoom": "Zoom", "lightbox_new_window": "New window", "lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar" } </script> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="IMG_1598.png" data-src="https://wildcamping.co.uk/attachments/img_1598-png.147300/" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="https://wildcamping.co.uk/attachments/img_1598-png.147300/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="IMG_1598.png" title="IMG_1598.png" width="1390" height="2000" loading="lazy" /> </div><div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="IMG_1599.png" data-src="https://wildcamping.co.uk/attachments/img_1599-png.147301/" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="https://wildcamping.co.uk/attachments/img_1599-png.147301/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="IMG_1599.png" title="IMG_1599.png" width="1390" height="2000" loading="lazy" /> </div></div>

 

[runnach]

<div class="bbWrapper"><b>The group, formed by 31 member campsites, claims their occupancy levels are “low” due to “the growing trend of bypassing regulated sites in favour of informal, unmonitored locations such as laybys and roadside verges”.</b><br /> <br /> Maybe something to do with their Cartel pricing that people go elsewhere.</div>

 

[HurricaneSmith]

<div class="bbWrapper">The mention on Motorhomer:<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24862" data-url="https://motorhomer.com/threads/12month-motorhome-park-up-scheme.49232/" data-host="motorhomer.com" data-pending="false"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://motorhomer.com/threads/12month-motorhome-park-up-scheme.49232/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> 12month motorhome park up scheme </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Just seen this hope more follow</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="https://motorhomer.com/data/assets/logo/pwa192.png" loading="lazy" alt="motorhomer.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> motorhomer.com </div> </div> </div> </div></div>

 

[Dryerview1]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 67464" data-quote="brucews" data-source="post: 1493907" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1493907" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1493907">brucews said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hopefully they will put a black disposal tank as well. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>There is already black disposal at the Harbour Masters office in Burghead beside the toilets behind a wooden fence the last time I was there for the day early in the year</div>

 

[TJBi]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 87071" data-quote="Dryerview1" data-source="post: 1494321" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1494321" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1494321">Dryerview1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> There is already black disposal at the Harbour Masters office in Burghead beside the toilets behind a wooden fence the last time I was there for the day early in the year </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yes, WS Burghead (Moray). There is also an unthreaded pushbutton tap at the top of the slipway.</div>

 

[barryd]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 37240" data-quote="Tonybvi" data-source="post: 1493910" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1493910" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1493910">Tonybvi said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Complaints already coming in! Screen shot of P &amp; J article yesterday.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://wildcamping.co.uk/attachments/147300/" target="_blank">View attachment 147300</a><a href="https://wildcamping.co.uk/attachments/147301/" target="_blank">View attachment 147301</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I think they have been mentioned before ranting on about this. Its almost like they think we owe them a living. I can understand them being angry if people are sneaking in and using their facilities if its true but some of us as we know will never use sites even if good schemes like this get started. Its not going to drive people to their site if they ban us parking elsewhere. <br /> <br /> To be honest I got a bit disheartened when I was looking for suitable places for a possible Scottish trip next year but Ill never stay on £40+ a night sites, I just wont bother going.</div>

 

[Fisherman]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 6231" data-quote="runnach" data-source="post: 1493925" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1493925" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1493925">runnach said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <b>The group, formed by 31 member campsites, claims their occupancy levels are “low” due to “the growing trend of bypassing regulated sites in favour of informal, unmonitored locations such as laybys and roadside verges”.</b><br /> <br /> Maybe something to do with their Cartel pricing that people go elsewhere. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Unbelievable, it’s tantamount to HMV record stores asking why we don’t buy their DVDs anymore, or Sony wondering why Betamax finished many moons ago.<br /> Instead of looking into how they can adjust their businesses to suit our needs. They ask the Scottish government to ban us. You could not write the script. <br /> Wake up smell the coffee Lynn and Darren from Dornoch. You have done more damage to your business than we ever could.</div>

 

[runnach]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 62221" data-quote="Fisherman" data-source="post: 1494552" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1494552" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1494552">Fisherman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Unbelievable, it’s tantamount to HMV record stores asking why we don’t buy their DVDs anymore, or Sony wondering why Betamax finished many moons ago.<br /> Instead of looking into how they can adjust their businesses to suit our needs. They ask the Scottish government to ban us. You could not write the script.<br /> Wake up smell the coffee Lynn and Darren from Dornoch. You have done more damage to your business than we ever could. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>They should do a book Bill. How to ruin your business in one easy lesson.</div>

 

[barryd]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 62221" data-quote="Fisherman" data-source="post: 1494552" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1494552" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1494552">Fisherman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Unbelievable, it’s tantamount to HMV record stores asking why we don’t buy their DVDs anymore, or Sony wondering why Betamax finished many moons ago.<br /> Instead of looking into how they can adjust their businesses to suit our needs. They ask the Scottish government to ban us. You could not write the script.<br /> Wake up smell the coffee Lynn and Darren from Dornoch. You have done more damage to your business than we ever could. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Campsites here are bonkers. I don&#039;t know the layout of their site but they could set aside a car park, paint half a dozen motorhome spaces a couple of metres apart and charge them a tenner a night including services. A fiver just for services. This happens in Europe quite often.</div>

 

[caledonia]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 3609" data-quote="barryd" data-source="post: 1494570" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1494570" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1494570">barryd said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Campsites here are bonkers. I don&#039;t know the layout of their site but they could set aside a car park, paint half a dozen motorhome spaces a couple of metres apart and charge them a tenner a night including services. A fiver just for services. This happens in Europe quite often. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It also happens all over Scotland. Most campsites will let you dump and fill for a service charge. More and more small aire type things and councils allowing overnights. Forestry commission and village community trusts also jumping on the bandwagon. <br /> This pair of numb heids are in the minority and are cutting their noses off to spite their face.</div>

 

[Fisherman]

<div class="bbWrapper">If you are reading this Mr and Mrs Redfern, you are trying to sell us something we don’t want, and don’t need. We don’t need your EHU, your showers, and all the rest. This is 2025 not 1990, keep up, change, or drop out. You are running a VHS hire shop wondering why it’s not working, and to make matters worse you are alienating your potential customers by trying to force them to hire your VHS tapes. Speaking personally, if you offered me a night in your campsite for £1 after your pathetic attempt to ban me from what I love doing, I would tell you were to go. And we use campsites and are members of both them C&amp;MC and the CCC. But if I was in Dornoch I would avoid your campsite like the plague. Trying to force people to buy what they don’t need, is no way to run a business.</div>

 

[davep10000]

<div class="bbWrapper">Also, how many of these commercial sites open over winter.....</div>

 

[Fisherman]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 30791" data-quote="davep10000" data-source="post: 1494612" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1494612" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1494612">davep10000 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Also, how many of these commercial sites open over winter..... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Dornoch campsite is closed, hardly any sites open up here in winter. A point I like making at public meetings I have been to. You should see he reaction when this is pointed out. I was told by a warden near Dunbar to go and use the CCC site there in winter.</div>

 

[ProDave]

<div class="bbWrapper">All responsible motor homers know the local economy improves if a town car park allows overnighting, for instance we usually go out for a drink or a meal in the town of an evening.<br /> <br /> And the Dornoch people are well known for campaigning against wild camping. Their hostility for me, means their site is on my black list.<br /> <br /> But wild camping for us is not about being a cheapskate and not wanting to stay on a site, it is about wanting to stay where we happen to be at any time. We use the MH for touring, if there is a convenient site that has a vacancy we will use it, but more often than not they don&#039;t have space (can&#039;t book in advance as we never know where we will end up) so the only option is wild camping.</div>

 

[caledonia]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 30791" data-quote="davep10000" data-source="post: 1494612" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1494612" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1494612">davep10000 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Also, how many of these commercial sites open over winter..... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It’s not profitable for the bigger sites to open over winter but there are some smaller sites open all year.</div>

 

[alcam]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 3609" data-quote="barryd" data-source="post: 1494570" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1494570" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1494570">barryd said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Campsites here are bonkers. I don&#039;t know the layout of their site but they could set aside a car park, paint half a dozen motorhome spaces a couple of metres apart and charge them a tenner a night including services. A fiver just for services. This happens in Europe quite often. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Just heading back from a wander in Europe and , as you say , many sites do this . They then , potentially, capture all of the market . Often , depending on layout , sites can shut the actual campsite in winter and provide an aire . Virtually no overheads but some income off season .<br /> Seems sensible.....</div>