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Question regarding Victron b2b

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<div class="bbWrapper">Currently everything in the van solar etc is Victron (mains charger/inverter for fridge/smart shunt/solar regulator and raspberry pi4 running venus software )<br /> <br /> The only thing that isn&#039;t is the B2B charger ...which is a ring rscdc30 combined solar/b2b (solar side developed the well documented not waking up after night time ) <br /> So now just looks after engine charging ...<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve never been massively impressed after it failed ...<br /> <br /> So now thinking of replacing it with Victron (unsurprisingly ) <br /> <br /> Question is all my other victron gear(barring the mains charger) are connected via ve/USB leads ...<br /> <br /> The victron b2b I&#039;ve looked at so far appear to just have Bluetooth connectivity (no ve leads) <br /> So am I right thinking that will just connect to the pi4 without plugging in ?<br /> <br /> And do I go for a 30 (same as the solar) or stretch to the 50 <br /> <br /> 3 x 100ah agm batteries <br /> And standard alternator <br /> <br /> Summertime is never a problem as the solar manages without issue ....<br /> It&#039;s mostly for the darker parts of the year <br /> When we usually move around or at least go in search of places to eat/walk the dogs each day .</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 45290" data-quote="mistericeman" data-source="post: 1451482" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451482" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451482">mistericeman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Currently everything in the van solar etc is Victron (mains charger/inverter for fridge/smart shunt/solar regulator and raspberry pi4 running venus software )<br /> <br /> The only thing that isn&#039;t is the B2B charger ...which is a ring rscdc30 combined solar/b2b (solar side developed the well documented not waking up after night time )<br /> So now just looks after engine charging ...<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve never been massively impressed after it failed ...<br /> <br /> So now thinking of replacing it with Victron (unsurprisingly )<br /> <br /> Question is all my other victron gear(barring the mains charger) are connected via ve/USB leads ...<br /> <br /> The victron b2b I&#039;ve looked at so far appear to just have Bluetooth connectivity (no ve leads)<br /> So am I right thinking that will just connect to the pi4 without plugging in ? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Nope, you will need to get a VE.Direct - USB Lead like the other stuff if you want to connect.<br /> However ... as you have noticed, the Smart-Tr Orion does NOT have a VE.Direct port, so you cannot connect <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> This has always been a limitation of the Orion-Tr.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 45290" data-quote="mistericeman" data-source="post: 1451482" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451482" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451482">mistericeman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> And do I go for a 30 (same as the solar) or stretch to the 50 </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>50A all day long over the 30A.<br /> The 50A unit as well as having a greater output has other advantages such as running cooler and being fully controllable. Another advantage which you will like is that the Orion-XS 50A DOES have a VE.Direct port so you can bring it into your Victron world.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 45290" data-quote="mistericeman" data-source="post: 1451482" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451482" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451482">mistericeman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 3 x 100ah agm batteries<br /> And standard alternator<br /> <br /> Summertime is never a problem as the solar manages without issue ....<br /> It&#039;s mostly for the darker parts of the year<br /> When we usually move around or at least go in search of places to eat/walk the dogs each day . </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 60568" data-quote="wildebus" data-source="post: 1451496" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451496" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451496">wildebus said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Nope, you will need to get a VE.Direct - USB Lead like the other stuff if you want to connect.<br /> However ... as you have noticed, the Smart-Tr Orion does NOT have a VE.Direct port, so you cannot connect <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> This has always been a limitation of the Orion-Tr.<br /> <br /> <br /> 50A all day long over the 30A.<br /> The 50A unit as well as having a greater output has other advantages such as running cooler and being fully controllable. Another advantage which you will like is that the Orion-XS 50A DOES have a VE.Direct port so you can bring it into your Victron world. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Thank you ....<br /> that makes sense and backs up what I was thinking ..<br /> <br /> Is the xs50 available in isolated flavour as well as none isolated ...?<br /> <br /> <br /> The Ring is currently wired isolated (+/- input and +/- output) <br /> I&#039;ve only seen the xs50 in none isolated flavour so far .</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 45290" data-quote="mistericeman" data-source="post: 1451498" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451498" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451498">mistericeman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Thank you ....<br /> that makes sense and backs up what I was thinking ..<br /> <br /> Is the xs50 available in isolated flavour as well as none isolated ...?<br /> <br /> <br /> The Ring is currently wired isolated (+/- input and +/- output)<br /> I&#039;ve only seen the xs50 in none isolated flavour so far . </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Pretty sure it is none-isolated only. Are your leisure electrics isolated from the starter battery/van chassis?<br /> <br /> When the Orion-Tr first came out, it was tricky to get hold of the non-isolated versions and I used to just get the isolated version and connect the two negatives to a common cable. If you actually have a common ground via chassis, you could just ignore one of your -ve cables, or connect together?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 60568" data-quote="wildebus" data-source="post: 1451503" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451503" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451503">wildebus said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Pretty sure it is none-isolated only. Are your leisure electrics isolated from the starter battery/van chassis?<br /> <br /> When the Orion-Tr first came out, it was tricky to get hold of the non-isolated versions and I used to just get the isolated version and connect the two negatives to a common cable. If you actually have a common ground via chassis, you could just ignore one of your -ve cables, or connect together? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I&#039;ve run seperate earth&#039;s for everything I&#039;ve fitted ...<br /> Though I don&#039;t doubt Swift being swift HAVE used the chassis in places ...<br /> <br /> I&#039;m happy to just run the seperate earth&#039;s I have in the Ring Rscd30 into the common earth on the none isolated earth on the orion though ....<br /> From memory the isolated side of things mainly related to marine installations to avoid extra corrosion of the hull .</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 45290" data-quote="mistericeman" data-source="post: 1451508" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451508" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451508">mistericeman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;ve run seperate earth&#039;s for everything I&#039;ve fitted ...<br /> Though I don&#039;t doubt Swift being swift HAVE used the chassis in places ... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>For sure the original habitation electrics will be chassis grounded via the Sargent PDU - the White and Orange cables are the DC Ground wires so you won&#039;t have an isolated leisure system.<br /> I would suggest joining the two negative cables together at the B2B point when you change it.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 45290" data-quote="mistericeman" data-source="post: 1451508" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451508" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451508">mistericeman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;m happy to just run the seperate earth&#039;s I have in the Ring Rscd30 into the common earth on the none isolated earth on the orion though .... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>you&#039;ll have to join them outside the Orion - the connectors won&#039;t be large enough to accomodate both. My B2Bs use 6mm studs so I just stack the two negatives - one from Starter, one to Leisure - together on the connector.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 45290" data-quote="mistericeman" data-source="post: 1451508" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1451508" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1451508">mistericeman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> From memory the isolated side of things mainly related to marine installations to avoid extra corrosion of the hull . </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Basically yes,. That is my understanding.</div>
 
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