Change of Gas

[dosser666]

Hi
New to this but want to go out in winter Motor homin, read on here red gas(pro) is better in winter than the blue (but) do you just change the bottle or do you have to make more changes?
Thanks in advance

 

[daemon]

If it were myself i would use the red bottles(propane) because if you buy a adapter of flea bay it is possible to fill them yourself at autogas stations saving £££s on gas,the regulator is a different fitting on the bottle as butane is a snap on.hope this helps

 

[Deleted member 3802]

also the regulator very eazy and straight forward:baby:

:egg: sorry cross posted

 

[Tbear]

Hi
New to this but want to go out in winter Motor homin, read on here red gas(pro) is better in winter than the blue (but) do you just change the bottle or do you have to make more changes?
Thanks in advance

Propane works much better at lower temperatures but it works at a different pressure so you may well need a different regulator and or pigtail (hose & connector) depending on what sort of setup your van has.

Richard

 

[AndyC]

Propane and butane have different bottle connections so, as has been said, you may need a different regulator and/or pigtail.

In modern vans there is a 30mB regulator which works with both propane and butane so it may be just a case of changing the pigtail (flexible pipe connecting bottle to regulator). Older UK vans used different regulators for propane and butane (37mB for propane and 28mB for butane) so you would need to change the regulator. Older German vans may have a 50mB regulator fitted, this is designed to work with propane.

If you tell us what you have at the moment (i.e. how is your butane bottle connected to your gas system?) I'm sure you will get specific advice.

AndyC

 

[dosser666]

Hi thanks for all your reply's
Just had a look, it is a blue regulator with 29 mb on it, also the pig tail (the hose) has written on it High pressure LPG if that helps.
Once again Thanks

 

[Rsykes103]

Hi everyone

Sorry I'm new to all this, can anyone tell me how to post my own thread. I can only see the option to reply to others many thanks

 

[Deleted member 3802]

click on forum at the top choose which topic area you want to put a thread in click on it and at the top it say post new thread:idea-007:

 

[james1508]

Hi
New to this but want to go out in winter Motor homin, read on here red gas(pro) is better in winter than the blue (but) do you just change the bottle or do you have to make more changes?
Thanks in advance

I have done this too to use in winter. Just don't get ripped of exchanging it for a different type. Many Calor gas stockers will only exchange like for like, thats the case around here (Blackpool and the Lakes) , they blame calor gas and want to charge around £30 for a new contract. Scotland I found didnt seem to mind.

James

 

[Tbear]

Hi thanks for all your reply's
Just had a look, it is a blue regulator with 29 mb on it, also the pig tail (the hose) has written on it High pressure LPG if that helps.
Once again Thanks

Hi dosser666

If the blue reg was screwed direct onto the cylinder then you need a red propane one from any camping or caravan shop. Cost about £7.00 maybe £8.00. You can get an adaptor to fill with autogas but thats a bit controversial. If you use loads of gas full timing in winter then worth thinking about but just for the odd weekend. Why bother?

Richard

 

[dosser666]

Thanks for all your replys, very useful

 

[Dorset Diver]

Adaptor?

If it were myself i would use the red bottles(propane) because if you buy a adapter of flea bay it is possible to fill them yourself at autogas stations saving £££s on gas,the regulator is a different fitting on the bottle as butane is a snap on.hope this helps

Does the adaptor you are suggesting allow the user to refill Calor 6kg and/or 11kg bottles at a autogas station? If so please tell me where I can get one and how you control the fill amount.

Best wishes

DD

 

[Firefox]

[QUOTEOriginally Posted by daemon If it were myself i would use the red bottles(propane) because if you buy a adapter of flea bay it is possible to fill them yourself at autogas stations saving £££s on gas,the regulator is a different fitting on the bottle as butane is a snap on.hope this helps
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You can't control the fill amount unless you weigh the bottle as you are filling.

If you fill it too full, or make a mistake, you may get liquid propane squirted into your gas hob. This will result in decent little explosion. Are your hands, face and van worth the £10 you saved on filling up the bottle?

Why do people keep on posting about this as though it is as simple as filling up a bottle of lemonade?

 

[vwalan]

firefox .if the bottle is empty the liters are twice the kg of gas so a 13kg holds 26ltr. thats it .you can weigh the bottle first and compare with the tare thats marked on the bottle adjust to suit. it is easy.
full instructionscome with the adaptors . very simple plain english.
cars are more dangerous . people get killed every day because of them or the qualified driver thats driving.
cheers keep smiling.
alan.
ps. does liquid gas get through the reg.
i have seen bottles used on their side .i wouldnt do it . but have seen others it worked fine . it bothered me but it never caused a problem when i was with them .and the bottles had just been filled .it went against my teaching.

 

[Tbear]

firefox .if the bottle is empty the liters are twice the kg of gas so a 13kg holds 26ltr. thats it .you can weigh the bottle first and compare with the tare thats marked on the bottle adjust to suit. it is easy.
full instructionscome with the adaptors . very simple plain english.
cars are more dangerous . people get killed every day because of them or the qualified driver thats driving.
cheers keep smiling.
alan.
ps. does liquid gas get through the reg.
i have seen bottles used on their side .i wouldnt do it . but have seen others it worked fine . it bothered me but it never caused a problem when i was with them .and the bottles had just been filled .it went against my teaching.

Hi Alan,

Had a service engineer at a large motorhome seller tell me that the liquid gas will not get through the reg but I have Never put that to the test and I do not suggest that anyone does. However it maker me feel better knowing there is that extra layer of safety. Otherwise if the fridge was left on gas while the van was moving and the Liquid in the cylinder was slopping about motorhomes would be going bang on a regular bases. I am not suggesting you leave your fridge on either.

Richard


Richard

 

[Firefox]

To Alan: I know it can be done safely, and I know you can do it, but people seem to post about it with no clue about safe procedures. Liquid propane expands nearly 300 times it's volume into the gas. If people post about filling bottles they should at least give some clue on the safe procedures or 100's of people with even less knowledge will read it. It only takes 1 out of those 100's to get it wrong. I checked on the figures and there are 600 propane bottle explosions a year in the US, mainly caused by people overfilling bottles. Less dangerous than driving, but still something to be aware of.

It's like making flash paper as used in magic effects. It can be done by mixing two acids in the right proportions and soaking tissue paper but so many people have got their hands blown off trying it and getting it wrong, it's hardly worth doing.

To Richard: There is also the danger of an overfilled bottle, just exploding due to temp change or physical shock though I believe that is pretty rare.

 

[vwalan]

i agree care and attention needs to be used. it wasnt that long ago you couldnt fill your own car with petrol and diesel. .i also remember when in the 70,s 80,s you couldnt fill your own gas tank. they did it for you. also asked was it for road fuel or habitation and charged differant prices. some had small fuel tanks and big habitation ones. i wonder why.
no hard feelings . keep smiling . cheers alan.
think chances of temperature expanding the gas is very rare . gas is transported through out africa un covered and on top of the roofs of vehicles . also left out in the desert for villages to pick up. havent seen one go yet. hav seen an oxygen bottle caufght in a warehouse fire rip open , and a gas bottle in a camper fire but thats different.

 

[Tbear]

Hi Firefox,

A half empty bottle of most things will explode if you get them hot enough. Many people have heart attacks every year when they defaecate do you suggest nobody ever has a poo ever again. Life is full of risks, you just have to try and be sensible about them. I appaud the fact that you point out that there is a risk but to make it appear that nobody can fill a cylinder safely unless you own a factory is wrong.

Take care

Richard

 

[Firefox]

I didn't make it appear that nobody can do it without owning a factory. I actually said it can be done safely, and it can be done if you weigh the bottle when filling. I'm not one of those health and safety freaks. Check all my other posts if you don't believe it

As for propane regulators they are rubber diaphagms. I've talked to a qualified person who informed me liquid under pressure can get breach it under certain conditions. Again unlikely but as you say, not something you'd want to put to the test.

To Alan, no hard feelings, I never have any hard feelings. It's just a debate. I state the facts as I see them as no doubt you do, and people can draw their own conclusions

I'm actually having trouble getting the calor lite bottles, nobody seems to stock them, so I may well fill my own bottles if it continues. Due precautions taken though!

 

[Tbear]

"I'm not one of those health and safety freaks"

Who would think such a thing