advice : on no overnight sleeping and caravans signs

steco1958 said:
Just shown this to my wife, a very competent Local Government Officer, she has come across biased and prejediced views, and would love to know where you are getting your information from, how many of the millions of people that have dealings with local councils have you canvased for your opinion that the majority of staff rarely have high levels of competence.

In general, you have an opinion, founded on no evidence what so ever.
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To say that many staff have a low level of competence is maybe the wrong choice of words , but believe me there are things that I have witnessed and if I had not seen it for my own eyes I would not have believed it , who's right or wrong goes out of the window and bitterness and power mungering soon shows it's ugly face , council members at times get away with blue murder ( figure of speech ) and it's allowed to go on sometimes right under their bosses noses and at times their bosses will encourage them , the council tenant are looked on as low life and should be seen and not heard , this country is going backwards , just my opinion , interesting thread , Shawbags.
 
steco1958 said:
Sorry to hear you have had problems, they do not have power, they have procedures, that they must follow, by all means record them, and if you have issues with them, put it in writing.
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I've done all that and the fact is 1 member of staff has taken it personally and she does what ever she can to stop me getting repairs ect , I have to fight for everything I get , she will upset the wrong person 1 day , maybe then it will stop her , i'm not the only person having problems with her , yes there is procedure but there are ways around it , sly people , but as said there is good and bad everywhere , as I said I could go into setail about a lot of things and as for waisting tax payers money !! don't get me started LOL .
 
Hi shawbags I know ppl who have exactly the same things happen to then as council tennets the council staff see them as worse than mud
 
You have me very wrong here, if my wife was doing a poor job, I would be the first to be on her back, She has many years of experience, and has come up against some poor officers, and managers, who refuse to abide by the rules that are set out to both serve the people and protect the staff, however in the main, the majority are good people doing a thankless task.

I have seen the problems from the other side, where absolutely terrible tenants are abusive, threatening, and violent, and still want the officer to be calm collected and fair.

I have highlighted your generalisations again with no FACTS just your opinion.

If it was me, I'd have lost my job, and possibly a court appearance for GBH.

My last post on this subject as I know as well as you do we are poles apart in our views and opinions, and neither shall be swain.

PS, don't get personal !! you would not like me to get angry and start being personal in retaliation. now would you.
 
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We are all biased by our own experiences. Anyone who does not have some kind of prejudice has not had any experiences. My criticism of you is not that you have prejudices; if you look back to what I said, I used the phrase "silly prejudices". That may not be the most accurate way of expressing it but what I meant was that you miss no opportunity to squeeze your obvious bias into a topic in which it has no meaning at all. It is all a bit tedious.


And, since this thread has now turned into yet another "public bad; private good" rant, I might add that I have had many frustrating and fruitless encounters with private companies too. Their "customer service" departments seem designed to make sure that no-one ever gets through to anybody who might be able to do something about your problem. Incompetence and mis-direction is not limited to the public sector, despite certain people's obvious prejudices! :D
 
This thread began as very interesting and informative. There were some good opinions and experiences given and I found it enjoyable to follow. What a shame it has disintegrated into another "argument" for lack of a better word.
 
Since when were "no overnighting" signs a party political matter? I repeat, you introduced your prejudice in a silly way in a discussion in which it was not relevant.

Btw my prejudices were only brought into this matter to counter the silliness of comments such as yours. But I don't expect you to get it - you rarely do. :D
 
A piece of advice from an old hand at reading people - if you don't want to be known, its best to keep your mouth shut :lol-053:
 
Older Gurna said:
Glamorgan Council have a sign at Barry Knap telling people NOT to jump from them!:rolleyes2:
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Ah yes, but is it an official one backed up with the correct regulations stated on it ? :danger:

If not it can happily be ignored :eek:
 
I'm not getting involved in this one. I'm still reeling from Wints describing my degree as "worthless". I might need some counselling (or councilling) to recover from the insult
 
iampatman said:
I'm not getting involved in this one. I'm still reeling from Wints describing my degree as "worthless". I might need some counselling (or councilling) to recover from the insult
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Don`t forget some Compo as well ............. a few thousand should do it ......... LOL
 
Wooie1958 said:
Don`t forget some Compo as well ............. a few thousand should do it ......... LOL
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Ha ha, All that work, all the effort!! I'm thinking of going back and asking for a refund. Do you think Wints will write a letter of support for me?
Pat
 
I came across this thread and have read a lot of the pages ... not all ! I get the idea that this will not get sorted/ changed .. unless we try approaching to start with campsite owners maybe ! Asking / suggesting that if they feel they are losing out with motorhomes that if they say offer a refresh/top up services of maybe £5 ! Where we can drop toilets, and grey water and top up again.
My hubby and me like to - sometimes visit a town / city do some shopping, a bite and a few drinks then head to our bed. we find a lot of campsites are usually out of town and not a handy walk back. So maybe this way they may feel they are getting some business from us. Im not saying we don't go onto campsites but most of the time we like to free wheel.
Its a pity they don't realise that caravans mostly have to go to them but motorhomes don't always have to.

Also ... these signs that are legal and not is there any chance that a pic could be put on so that we might know what to look for !!

Now I guess this the start the thread up again !:D
 
Why is it we are seen as respectable law abiding citizens if we park on a campsite but become low life scum/criminals if we should park overnight without paying? Also what is overnight?? The definition of night seems to be the period between sunset & sunrise. If I arrive somewhere after sunrise & leave before sunset have I overnighted? Appreciate that in the summer you wouldn't get much sleep but in the winter you could have a good lie in.

Noticed an article in the MCC may from Godfrey Bloom (UKIP MEP) about height barriers, he is president of the Drivers Union Drivers' Union not a fan of UKIP but have to agree with some of the issues they raise.
 
Kontiki said:
Also what is overnight?? The definition of night seems to be the period between sunset & sunrise. If I arrive somewhere after sunrise & leave before sunset have I overnighted? Appreciate that in the summer you wouldn't get much sleep but in the winter you could have a good lie in.
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The short answer is that the term "no overnight parking" has no validity in law at all and if you see a sign that simply says that then it is probably meaningless. For a TRO to be valid, it must specify the PRECISE terms - eg no parking between the hours of 11pm and 8am. Thus it has always been relatively easy to spot which signs are simply put up as deterrents and which cannot be enforced.
 
Hi John H

As you can see we live in Ireland but we come over a lot to the Uk - we are from Sunderland originally. but new to this motorhome/wildcamping thing from 2012. So when we find somewhere to park up I just wanted to know that we are not going to get moved on or arrested!!! :sleep-040:

Without been rude or objectionable to the person banging on your door , what is the best way to say F**K off.or sim.. if its the police !!
 
Probably nobody wants to have a confrontation about where they are parked for the night, also there is nothing worse than thinking you have found a nice spot for the night only to find out its the local hangout for the youngsters. Can't guess at the number of times having settled down for the night only to be disturbed by cars turning up playing loud music, deciding our van makes a nice turning point for their impromptu race track or even doggers (the latter we found weren't so much of a problem though). Always leave the van in a state ready to move off if we need to at short notice.

Motorhomers just aren't accepted in this country as they are on the continent, we have had problems while stopping on aires but these are very rare. I personally don't think we will get aires like they have in France as much as would like them. We should maybe try to push for a right to be able to park (not camp) overnight without having to argue the point with anybody, signs discriminating against motor caravans shouldn't be allowed, it is our mode of transport for which we pay to use the roads.

Campsites are missing out by not catering for the motor home owner who just wants to stop overninght, especially mid week & out of season, many of us wouldn't mind turning up at a campsite after 8pm & leaving before 9-10am & paying up to a fiver to get a good nights sleep.
 
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