Scarborough Council doing it on the cheap !

[churchie]

Sea defences for South Bay are under discussion at present

BBC News - Scarborough's £16.6m sea defence plan shown to public

The council want to use rocks in front of the current sea wall instead of building a new sea wall.

This will not help the safety of water uses and surfers are voicing there opinion at last nights meeting.

Once again the council disregard the surfers and water users and only look at how cheaply they can get away with the sea defence.

A surfer voiced his opinion and stated that he also now was not allowed to park his campervan overnight anymore. Surfers like motorhome users seem to be an inconvenience to the council

It looks like the council want to close down Scarborough.:scared:

 

[Deleted member 3802]

I have been able to get through life by looking at both sides even if not agreeing with one side you can sometimes see where they are coming from BUT in the centre of Scarborough they are building a big tescos !! How on earth is this going to help the market vault or high street traders ??
In Whitby they have just allowed wetherspoons to buy and convert the angel hotel again right in the centre of town what effect will this have on other small pubs and eating places in the town.
Then they argue we motorhomes don't contribute to their small local businesses !!
The mind boggles

 

[Deleted member 3057]

Done deal.

BBC News - Scarborough council decides on Spa sea defences

 

[Smaug]

I've seen it all before . . .

I used to live on the North Wirral close to a pretty little seaside resort called New Brighton. Over the years two outdoor pools (one the biggest in Europe) were closed down, the ferry service to Liverpool was stooped & the pier dismantled - all for reasons of economy.

Consequently the number of visitors dropped like a stone, the businesses hat relied on day trippers folded & the main street became a derelict haunt of drug users. Their answer was to"redevelop" one swimming pool as a large pub & the other one as a major supermarket. Strangely enough more of the small business folded then.

There is an Aldi overlooking the harbour at Wick, a Morrisons occupying a prime waterfront location at Caernarfon, another supermarket right alongside th Marine Lake at West Kirby (also Wirral). These are crazy planning decisions as they bring a great deal of traffic, but no ancilliary trade. In effect they cause traffic jams that restrict access for the trippers that used to be the life blood of a resort. DUH!

 

[Sky]

IMO there is never any consideration in these matters other than for those 'in the loop' that are lining their pockets.

 

[Deleted member 21686]

As long as our governments are only in for about 4 1/2 years before an election finances will continue be a short term thing, knowing that tax hikes are likely to get them shown the door. It's why short sighted ordinary people think tories are a better option. Tories = low taxes, well, lower income tax, they're masters at tax by stealth but that's another story.

One of the results of such short sighted economics are local councils being squeezed financially, resulting in short sighted policies from them as well. Surfers and campers v land erosion ?? Heave in some boulders on the cheap or spend millions more (which they don't have) on a nice sea wall ?? No brainer.

The root of the problem ain't with the local councils so let's get realistic here. The only real way out is to get the tories out and accept we need to pay more income tax, especially those who can afford it.

In 4 1/2 years they can do a lot of damage. lol

 

[sasquatch]

I've seen it all before . . .

I used to live on the North Wirral close to a pretty little seaside resort called New Brighton. Over the years two outdoor pools (one the biggest in Europe) were closed down, the ferry service to Liverpool was stooped & the pier dismantled - all for reasons of economy.

Consequently the number of visitors dropped like a stone, the businesses hat relied on day trippers folded & the main street became a derelict haunt of drug users. Their answer was to"redevelop" one swimming pool as a large pub & the other one as a major supermarket. Strangely enough more of the small business folded then.

There is an Aldi overlooking the harbour at Wick, a Morrisons occupying a prime waterfront location at Caernarfon, another supermarket right alongside th Marine Lake at West Kirby (also Wirral). These are crazy planning decisions as they bring a great deal of traffic, but no ancilliary trade. In effect they cause traffic jams that restrict access for the trippers that used to be the life blood of a resort. DUH!

When did you last visit? New Brighton has under gone a re-birth the Light a new digital cinema and associated restaurants have really boosted the area, the rebuilt Floral Pavilion Theatre and conference venue is now attracting major events,plays and performers.Many years ago Southport was the first resort to build supermarkets on the seafront The 'new pub' is a Spoonys and opened only a few weeks ago,it was built on a site of clubs and bars that were an eyesore to the area. Sadly the pier and ferry have gone and was admitted to be a mistake. Before the current cutbacks there was a proposal to build a new pier and start a ferry service again,but that has been shelved. The sea defences were upgraded some years ago with the building of groins to break up the wave action which isn't as severe as the North Sea that batters Scarborough. If Scarborough has this mean approach to their coastal protection and to visiting motorhomers perhaps it better if it does collapse in to the sea due to coastal erosion!

 

[antiquesam]

As they don't wish me to visit I really couldn't care less about Scarborough's wrestle with the sea. On the question of the short term interest in financial matters, this is a UK problem with shareholders expecting a return on capital in 12 months. Politicians looking for a quick and cheap solution, in the knowledge that in a few years the other mob will be in spending a fortune undoing everything just done and blaming the losers. I don't know what the solution is but it needs to be more radical than just getting the present Government out of office.

 

[maxi77]

To be fair such rock systems are very effective and I suspect they are right when they suggest it will be more effective and last longer. My home town adopted an equally low cost measure of raising the level of the beach by two metres to move the HW mark a few hundred feet from the promenade. It worked and has only needed one top up in 40 odd years

 

[FULL TIMER]

As long as our governments are only in for about 4 1/2 years before an election finances will continue be a short term thing, knowing that tax hikes are likely to get them shown the door. It's why short sighted ordinary people think tories are a better option. Tories = low taxes, well, lower income tax, they're masters at tax by stealth but that's another story.

One of the results of such short sighted economics are local councils being squeezed financially, resulting in short sighted policies from them as well. Surfers and campers v land erosion ?? Heave in some boulders on the cheap or spend millions more (which they don't have) on a nice sea wall ?? No brainer.

The root of the problem ain't with the local councils so let's get realistic here. The only real way out is to get the tories out and accept we need to pay more income tax, especially those who can afford it.

think you are forgetting who were in the hot seat for the previous 13 years they had plenty of time to put right all the wrongs they blamed on the previous conservative government but chose to do nothing but spend money they never had and create public sector jobs that never existed as well as flood the UK with cheap immigrant labour hence the problems we have since seen. The only person who seems to have thrived under the previous labour government was Tony Blair now there's a surprise......

 

[FULL TIMER]

Maybe we need to change the laws of this country so that if an elected political party doesn't put in place what it promises in it's election manifesto's during the four years in power then it isn't allowed to stand in the next election, at least this would stand a chance of getting rid of all the false promises and bullsh.te that we normally have to put up with. Lets face it all the main party's are guilty of making promises that they know they can't realistically keep but they don't care as long as they can manage to screw us all for their very nice income and almost limitless expenses.

 

[Smaug]

Maybe we need to change the laws of this country so that if an elected political party doesn't put in place what it promises in it's election manifesto's during the four years in power then it isn't allowed to stand in the next election, at least this would stand a chance of getting rid of all the false promises and bullsh.te that we normally have to put up with. Lets face it all the main party's are guilty of making promises that they know they can't realistically keep but they don't care as long as they can manage to screw us all for their very nice income and almost limitless expenses.

Not sure we should be discussing politics on this thread, but your idea means that no government would be able to react to any changing situation. A week is a long time in politics, 4 years is a lifetime! Not very practical is it?

 

[sparrks]

I didn't forget. If you care to digest what I wrote before answering you'd see that I said there is the fear of losing out, therefore measures that WILL make a long term difference will NOT be taken, irrespective of the party in government.

I'm not advocating anyone being in power for longer than the usual 4ish years, just saying that we are stuck with short term thinking and policies because of the way things are.

The previous government thought long term and saddled tax payers with PFI's which they will be paying for, for the next 30 years plus, which I guess the money ultimately comes from the banks making them richer than ever.

 

[FULL TIMER]

Not sure we should be discussing politics on this thread, but your idea means that no government would be able to react to any changing situation. A week is a long time in politics, 4 years is a lifetime! Not very practical is it?

You are probably right about the politics and the idea, but reacting to changing times is one thing making blatent false promises is another. Back to the real subject, the fact that any council is bothering with sea defences these days is a shock to the system there have been many people campaigning around here on the Norfolk coast for many years for a bit of help with sea defences even offering to do the work themselves did it happen though not on your Nellie, plenty of money in the pot for MP's expenses and massively overpaid councillors salaries but nothing for something that could actually make a difference to a community.

 

[Smaug]

You are probably right about the politics and the idea, but reacting to changing times is one thing making blatent false promises is another. Back to the real subject, the fact that any council is bothering with sea defences these days is a shock to the system there have been many people campaigning around here on the Norfolk coast for many years for a bit of help with sea defences even offering to do the work themselves did it happen though not on your Nellie, plenty of money in the pot for MP's expenses and massively overpaid councillors salaries but nothing for something that could actually make a difference to a community.

Oh dear, have you checked what Councillors are "paid"? Do check it please, then come back & apologise to them. Especially as, if you are a "Full Timer", I doubt you pay any Council Tax anyway!!!

You have to admit it does look like lies & hypocrisy in a single sentence! Nice one! But our predjudices do tend to blind us to the facts do they not?

 

[maingate]

Oh dear, have you checked what Councillors are "paid"? Do check it please, then come back & apologise to them. Especially as, if you are a "Full Timer", I doubt you pay any Council Tax anyway!!!

You have to admit it does look like lies & hypocrisy in a single sentence! Nice one! But our predjudices do tend to blind us to the facts do they not?

You are right in what you say but nevertheless they do well off 'expenses', nudge nudge, wink wink.

 

[Smaug]

You are right in what you say but nevertheless they do well off 'expenses', nudge nudge, wink wink.

Oh, yeah, a nice little earner. I take it you have never checked out the sums & then divided by the hours spent in meetings & electioneering?

 

[vindiboy]

I don't know much about Scarborough's financial problems , or why they want rock defences but I know that in Spain and Portugal such rock defences are very common , attractive and effective, seen on all beaches, harbours, and docks so why not here,?

 

[Smaug]

I don't know much about Scarborough's financial problems , or why they want rock defences but I know that in Spain and Portugal such rock defences are very common , attractive and effective, seen on all beaches, harbours, and docks so why not here,?

The point is that if you are windsurfing you need a safe beach to land on. Putting ruddy great lumps of rocks all along it is extremely dangerous & even possibly lethal. That means that the people who used to windsurf there no longer can. That is why they are upset.

It won't affect you tho. But it is another group of people who will no longer be spending money there. Another self-inflicted wound.

 

[FULL TIMER]

Oh dear, have you checked what Councillors are "paid"? Do check it please, then come back & apologise to them. Especially as, if you are a "Full Timer", I doubt you pay any Council Tax anyway!!!

You have to admit it does look like lies & hypocrisy in a single sentence! Nice one! But our predjudices do tend to blind us to the facts do they not?

Well I do know that the leader of the county council around here was claiming more in expenses than five of us in the family business were earning in one year to my mind there is something wrong with that, as for council tax I might be a full timer but I am still registered as living in the family home and on the electoral roll and pay my share, I work , pay taxes, and contribute to local taxes, I am entitled to vote and I will, but not for none of the main three that's for certain.